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Colifin
Jan Member 2006

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Going off of the above, I notice that "ability to assign the avatar warden title" is on the list, but does this mean that avatar wardens still have to be admins? There's been some contention in my clan lately because we've had some people who have been new and volunteered to take the avatar out, but in order to do so we have to rank them up to admin. This really isn't fair to everyone else, and there's no way around it...
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17-Feb-2014 10:20:31

Radical

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Mod Maz said :
Esploratore said :
Mod Maz,

Would it be possible to simply change the rank name "Administrator" to "Avatar Warden" in the code? (I realize using the words "simply" and "code" in the same sentence may be inappropriate. :) )

The forum posts seem to show that this rank is being used by many clans primarily as a means to allow clan members to host the clan avatar. If you made this change and also provided the additional permission check boxes you're currently working on in the rewrite, this might solve a few dilemmas we've had concerning wanting to give avatar warden permissions to clannies without being forced to include other clan management permissions as well.

Just an idea I had that I wanted to share.


Possible, but totally misleading, as not all clans will run their clan that way. Indeed, not all clans have avatars! As the rank is capable of so much more, I won't be doing this.


Thank you for confirmation on this Maz, means a lot.

After reading many of the posts throughout this thread, it's slightly concerning to me personally, that some people would like the Admin rank switched to Avatar Warden. This may benefit a specific clan, but for much larger clans, and I would like to assume most clans, myself, and my ranks would find it completely demoralising to have their entire work and efforts for the clan summed up for one of 15 parts of their role. If this was changed, my entire ranking system would require a re-work as I would refuse to have my clan's hard-working support staff summed up to be a person who stands at a bank or does a slayer task getting some XP or auto-collect orts.
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17-Feb-2014 10:40:11 - Last edited on 17-Feb-2014 10:53:20 by Radical

Mod Maz

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J4ron said :
I didn't see it under rank based permissions?


Coz it's in a weird state of not being live, but not being an imaginary update that might happen. Don't worry, it is coming :-)
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17-Feb-2014 11:58:17

Princess Rae
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Ferenc2017 said :

"Can edit clan battlefield A
Can edit clan battlefield B
Can edit clan battlefield C
Can edit clan battlefield D"


I think it's better if you make it 1 option for all battlefields.


I prefer each battlefield to be separate, as then we can have one set up for the level boosters, and make it so only key ranks can edit that one and then people play with the other battlefield layouts (or whatever suits each clan).


EDIT: I love all this, thanks. <3
I like how customisable it is going to be, to allow each clan to set things how we want them.
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17-Feb-2014 13:07:56 - Last edited on 17-Feb-2014 13:10:10 by Princess Rae

Shadesidhe
Feb Member 2009

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Firstly, are there any rank based permissions you feel are missing?

All of the suggested ones look really good.

Do you think any of the rank based permissions should be removed? If so, which ones and why?

None. The more flexibility the better as our clans evolve and change with time.

Are there any mechanical changes you'd like to the rank based permission system?

What you have listed is great.

Do you think there are any clan based permissions missing and why?

None that I can think of now.

Do you think there are any clan based settings missing and why?

None that I can think of now.

Should we keep the Avatar Warden job title itself (purely cosmetic and unattached to the functionality)? If not, what would you like to replace it with?

Our clan does not use the job titles at all. Since they are cosmetic in nature and have no actions behind them, I see no reason to have them, unless at some future time there are plans to have these titles linked to functional actions.

Clan Menu

You have done a great job on the menu. I like it as is.

Roll Out

With this, if I read what you are saying correctly, any new updates in the future that at this point only clan leaders would have had the ability to assign, will now also go equally to the deputy owners which I agree with. Could the clan leader then come back and change those with different responsibilities for each person or is this rank based?

Shadesidhe - Blue Phoenix
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Blue Phoenix

17-Feb-2014 16:15:39

Mod Maz

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Shadesidhe said :

Roll Out

With this, if I read what you are saying correctly, any new updates in the future that at this point only clan leaders would have had the ability to assign, will now also go equally to the deputy owners which I agree with. Could the clan leader then come back and change those with different responsibilities for each person or is this rank based?

Shadesidhe - Blue Phoenix


Clan leaders can always change anything they like.
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17-Feb-2014 16:26:32

Esploratore
Apr Member 2006

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Mod Maz said :
Esploratore said :
Mod Maz,

Would it be possible to simply change the rank name "Administrator" to "Avatar Warden" in the code? (I realize using the words "simply" and "code" in the same sentence may be inappropriate. :) )

The forum posts seem to show that this rank is being used by many clans primarily as a means to allow clan members to host the clan avatar. If you made this change and also provided the additional permission check boxes you're currently working on in the rewrite, this might solve a few dilemmas we've had concerning wanting to give avatar warden permissions to clannies without being forced to include other clan management permissions as well.

Just an idea I had that I wanted to share.


Possible, but totally misleading, as not all clans will run their clan that way. Indeed, not all clans have avatars! As the rank is capable of so much more, I won't be doing this.


And having to rank a clan member as a rank called "Admin" just so they can summon the avatar isn't misleading as well? It works both ways, depending on your perspective. If a clan member has more responsibilities in the clan than "bank standing with the avatar" or the clan doesn't even have avatars, there are still the ranks of coordinator, organiser, and overseer. Those situations have other suitable ranks available. We have very little flexibility or options concerning admin and ava warden currently.

17-Feb-2014 17:40:40

Daeve
Jul Member 2012

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Looks awesome - problem our clan would have is our leader is very very inactive (we do not wish him to step down at this time) meaning we would have to wait a long time as dept's for these to be unlocked to us.

Could I propose as a primary measure, or requestable, that Deputy Owners have all permissions unlocked when it goes live? (but not permanently maybe?).

Just an idea.

Otherwise awesome propositions.

Dave, on behalf of We Are UK 1.
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17-Feb-2014 17:51:07

Radical

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@ Esploratore

No, I don't think it's misleading at all.

In a large clan of people where you have so many different types of roles and duties due to how big the clan is, people shouldn't need to see a rank icon in the clan chat to see who can summon an avatar to get some little xp boost - a high rank such as admin that is dedicated to solely summon an avatar is pathetic - even if they do much more within that role, it being labelled just "Avatar Warden", would really piss me off, as well as many admins that do a hell of a lot more than just please their clan members with exp. Avatars are taken way too seriously for what they realistically offer. They may be the be-all and end-all in some clans, but they are so overrated. It actually shocks me that people think it's acceptable to rename such a recognised clan position for a pixelated block of stone.

The original point here was regarding changing the name of the rank to Avatar Warden instead of Admin, not about creating other ranks, having higher ranks or changing the avatar permissions so lower ranks than admin can summon the avatar, which as we all know currently isn't possible with the clan system.

Depends how you want to run your clan, but as you're aware there is no sole rank just for avatar warden. Until this is ever made possible, in my opinion, any admin+ ranks shouldn't be renamed for the sake of keeping their recognisable value to dedicated clan members. As Maz mentioned, having admins seen as an "Avatar Warden", instead of Admin, would just make the role redundant in clans for those who don't even have a citadel or clan avatars.

Edit: All I'm trying to make a point of here, is that having a rank dedicated to doing many different things within a clan, is way more important than just summoning an avatar.
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17-Feb-2014 18:34:03 - Last edited on 17-Feb-2014 18:42:52 by Radical

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