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zebradead

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This is my first time posting here- Hi I'm Zeb, Owner of O N E.

(200+members, Tier 7)

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Sorry this post will be long, but I'm trying to give as much info on the situation as I can.

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Once again, my clan has come to the point where we have lost all our key ranks.
(they went rogue and kicked a member with 2.6b clan xp before leaving, the member had been a deputy until recently when he kicked a coordinator over a grudge losing 700m clan xp, so we've so far lost 5b clan xp..)

I realise that the xp is lost and nothing can be done about it, just a kick in the teeth to see a well established clan members of nearly 2 years lose their hard earned clan xp.

With my remaining deputy soon to depart the clan (inactive and decided to step down over the rogue keys having a grudge with them + the kicked member, I am left with myself as owner and an alt in an overseer place (for citadel uses)

So that brings me to the real question, I am now stuck with who to pick to replace the lost leaders - I would probably say that the keys who were in place weren't really doing anything actively, capping/recruiting - which left most of the running down to me.

I've had 1 member (organiser) come forward to me willing to step up, though they haven't any experience of running a clan so don't know how most features work. The rest don't really seem interested in the extra responsibilities that a key rank holds.

I want to avoid upsetting any clan members who feel that people are taking massive jumps in ranks/less time in clan getting higher ranks/etc

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- How did you pick your key ranks?
- How long had they been in the clan?
- Was there any animosity over them being picked over others?
- Can you run a clan on 2 keys?
- Do I actually need other key ranks?

Thanks for any advice

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O N E

26-Jun-2016 23:03:03

zebradead

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res Clan Owner of

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26-Jun-2016 23:03:09

zebradead

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res Clan Owner of

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26-Jun-2016 23:03:14

Tigergal44

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Don't rush into appointing a deputy - to have a deputy rank is not essential for anything. If you are doing most of the work anyway wait and see who drifts to the top.

I recently did a reorganise of all ranks - announced it then wiped everybody (including myself) down to recruit. laid out clear guidance for each rank and stated new ranks would be on the last 2 months play. It cleared all the deadwood of now playing but inactive ranks.

Those that gained high rank in the new organisation were just automatic selections. They were the ones doing the work without being asked, ones passionate about the group . Some were 5 years + in the Clan and others only a few months. But by saying all ranks are on last 2 months play and not time in Clan I can now keep high ranks fresh and active.

Interestingly when I look at the top 3 ranks (about 10 people) - they are all very different, bring very different skills to the Clan management - but ALL of them did the same thing without rank and they all do not care about rank and never asked for promotion.

Edit - a few months ago 1 admin acted disrespectfully to a Clan member and used their rank to intimidate . That admin was slammed down to recruit for 2 months while the person bullied was promoted - problem sorted. Upon regaining admin they had learnt their lesson and it was a warning to all other ranks that they are accountable.

26-Jun-2016 23:50:52 - Last edited on 26-Jun-2016 23:57:35 by Tigergal44

Vera

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Woah what, hold on--you had multiple rogue keys?

You don't have to tell us, but why did they go rogue? I feel like the reason behind not just one, but multiple keys going rogue and acting together (They went rogue and kicked...) might help you understand your clan ethos a little better, and as such, how to encourage people to take on more responsibility.

I would start off by "defining your situation" to yourself before considering what to do next, just in case there's something about your clan ethos you might not be aware of.

The ranking system in my clan is pretty casual, and while lower ranks are based on capping, higher ranks are based on a public recommendation system; we post on our discussion thread if we think someone is worthy of a higher rank. So that means that if you exhibit qualities of a higher rank, and also ask for recommendation "posts" (as opposed to letters, hehe) then people are more likely to recommend you and lay out their reasons why.

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27-Jun-2016 00:09:22 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2016 04:53:06 by Vera

Messiah ofRS

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zebradead said :

- How did you pick your key ranks?
- How long had they been in the clan?
- Was there any animosity over them being picked over others?
- Can you run a clan on 2 keys?
- Do I actuall need other key ranks?

1) I have a organized clan ranking system.

2) One of them was in for 2 years I'd say while I got 2 other new recent ones

3) Of course not - if one is jealous, you will know that they would not make a good dep or a key rank in the first place, but listen to them just in case you did something wrong (ranked a new person to dep when they been active alot longer then they have, etc) a good dep should tell you problems and you both have to be close to make a successful clan atmosphere

4) You can run a clan without a key rank.

5) No you don't need other key rank, you can set your own rules for the clan, if you want you can have it so that the highest rank for your clannies is admin.

With that out of the way, don't be in a rush to give key ranks, assess people and judge if they'd make a good role model for your clan if you want you can even play the silent game - remain silent when someone asks for help just a test to see who answers the call, get close to the people you appoint as admin+ if you not close there would be complications.

Start thinking about a solid ranking system too, a system that you think is fair and determines what person is suitable for what rank, (most follow the XP system - I advice on not doing that, use your imagination we have the official clan forums use those.)
To give you an idea I get my clannies to post on my clan forum and I rank them according to what they do for clan.

And like what vivy said think over your situation carefully.

In any case good luck!

27-Jun-2016 00:33:20 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2016 00:34:27 by Messiah ofRS

Messiah ofRS

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Tigergal44 said :

Edit - a few months ago 1 admin acted disrespectfully to a Clan member and used their rank to intimidate . That admin was slammed down to recruit for 2 months while the person bullied was promoted - problem sorted. Upon regaining admin they had learnt their lesson and it was a warning to all other ranks that they are accountable.

Damn that sounds awful.. if it were me I'd kick him instantly due to abusing power and position, I wouldn't be able to see him as a admin after that... I don't have that problem with my clan... I hope

27-Jun-2016 00:37:06

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Sicariu

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I can empathise with you here as I've dealt with a similar situation multiple times in my clan.

Time is the most important aspect to focus on. You won't get everything running as efficiently as it was without giving your clan time to rebuild & refocus your leadership.

zebradead said :
- How did you pick your key ranks?
- How long had they been in the clan?
- Was there any animosity over them being picked over others?
- Can you run a clan on 2 keys?
- Do I actually need other key ranks?
Rather than answer these individually, I'll explain how my clan chooses ranks.

Each month, we hold nominations for promotions where anyone General+ can be nominated (granted they've spent a sufficient amount of time at their current rank). From here, we hold a voting session where all Admin+ ranks have a say in whether they approve of these nominees or not.

Each rank has a designated weighting, so higher, veteran leaders have a greater individual say, but since we have less members at these ranks, it balances out very well. For a nominee to be promoted to a specific rank, they need to earn at least 50% of the non-weighted majority AND increasing percentages of weighted votes for higher ranks (Admin 50%, Organiser 55%, Coordinator 60%, etc.).

We started this in December of last year due to increasing confusion in how Promotions through our Admin ranks was done, and this has worked extremely well for us. All of our Overseer ranks have been here for over a year and all Deputies have been here for ~3 years.

Each rank has designated duties that we voted on at our last Admin Meeting, which were unanimously passed, so everyone knows what they're responsible for. However, the way you choose to assign responsibilities is up to you.

Since organising our leadership structure more clearly, we've had a lot less issues with rogue ranks being promoted to high positions because they're more restricted from being able to attain these ranks. ~ Sicariu
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27-Jun-2016 00:57:32 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2016 00:59:17 by Sicariu

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2023

Gluepot

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- How did you pick your key ranks?
In the clans I've been in it's either been through earning contribution points, through trust amongst the leaders or through recommendations of clan members.

- How long had they been in the clan?
Usually 3-6 months. If the clan was new it was a shorter time than this.

- Was there any animosity over them being picked over others?
Usually not, sometimes there was jealousy, but often encouraged others to behave better if they really wanted a rank up too. If there was major concerns from people, depending on the reason then they wouldn't be promoted.

- Can you run a clan on 2 keys?
Yes, depending on the size and age of the clan it's a lot of work. Some clans can basically run by themselves and almost don't need a leader.

- Do I actually need other key ranks?
Only you can answer that. If you need people to manage workloads which can only be done with an admin rank then yes, otherwise no.

Regarding the member who has offered, I don't think previous leading experience matters too much. It's much more about trust and their intentions.

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27-Jun-2016 01:13:38 - Last edited on 29-Jun-2016 01:33:09 by Gluepot

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2014

Lisaa

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Personally, I wouldn't actively "look" for people to "replace" the key ranks. I'm more of the opinion that people should have those ranks because they earned them, not because there's empty seats to fill. It's very good that your organiser is willing to step up and help - but you shouldn't jump and make him a deputy right away. Instead, answer all questions that the organiser has, and try to direct him to work on the most needed areas, such as recruitment. If he proves himself helpful after a couple of weeks, then go ahead with the promotion one at a time.

- How did you pick your key ranks?
Our leader decides when someone should be promoted, but he'll usually promote someone if another well established clan member recommends a promotion. Ranks for admin+ do take longer though.

- How long had they been in the clan?
Most of our admin+ people have been in the clan for 1-2 years, but for us it's possible tor each that point within 6 months if you're willing to work very hard and stand out in a positive way.

- Was there any animosity over them being picked over others?
Since we don't have a "limited seats available" policy for admin+ ranks, there's never been any animosity. Everyone knows that they can be promoted to that point if they're willing to work for it.

- Can you run a clan on 2 keys?
I'll be frank - technically speaking, our clan runs solely off our owner. Yes, people do occasionally recruit a friend, but nearly everything falls on our clan leader. The only reason why I'm active on CLF instead of him is because he's permanently banned from CLF for protesting the old probation system when it came out (only for it to be reverted later on...)

- Do I actually need other key ranks?
Technically, no. However I recommend having people with key ranks (when they've earned it) because it's a clan status symbol for dedication and loyalty to the clan. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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27-Jun-2016 02:52:30 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2016 02:53:21 by Lisaa

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