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"That wouldn't work too well either.
For one thing the people with grandfathered membership fees
are already annoyed with not being able to get premium benefits without losing it and in terms of P2P vs F2P, membership in general already offers enough benefits without actively punishing F2P and people who can't or don't maintain membership consistently. That's just not a good way to treat your players."
How does that work Mel?
It seems to me that income streams may be needing reinforcing. I saw a thingy working on the forums last night moderating. I wasnt working, the thingy was. Ive seen green and gold but not this pink color before, so I looked up what a CM is.
A CM is a member of the Community Management Team - an employee that is supposed to be focused on Customer Service and Player Feedback.
Is the reason we arent being heard (except on Reddit apparently) because employees are spread slightly thin?
Is "grandfathered" another way of saying forever without an increase?
How about if I miss subscribing for a month or so? Most businesses offer reduced rates but you can lose the discount if you dont keep ordering consistently.
Anyway, players cant - or should I say shouldnt - expect much if they arent giving much.
(PS I couldnt properly quote you because Qwis' and your posts are smooshed together, like overlapped a bit - at the time I made this post.)
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How does that work Mel?
It seems to me that income streams may be needing reinforcing. I saw a thingy working on the forums last night moderating. I wasnt working, the thingy was. Ive seen green and gold but not this pink color before, so I looked up what a CM is.
A CM is a member of the Community Management Team - an employee that is supposed to be focused on Customer Service and Player Feedback.
Is the reason we arent being heard (except on Reddit apparently) because employees are spread slightly thin?
Is "grandfathered" another way of saying forever without an increase?
How about if I miss subscribing for a month or so? Most businesses offer reduced rates but you can lose the discount if you dont keep ordering consistently.
Anyway, players cant - or should I say shouldnt - expect much if they arent giving much.
(PS I couldnt properly quote you because Qwis' and your posts are smooshed together, like overlapped a bit - at the time I made this post.)
New(ish) Player
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This is YOUR world, and I'm just a squirrel tryin' to get a nut.
RS3: The game where RWTers are more important than Real Live Players
25-Jan-2023 14:24:53 - Last edited on 25-Jan-2023 14:32:50 by Ruby_Red0
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Mistreating players on some elitist reasoning of punishing them for having discounts or wanting more consumer friendly business practices is counterproductive. You should treat your playerbase well if you want them to actually stick around long enough to even ply the game at all.
Elitist reasoning? Elitist reasoning is in the realm of Kings & Kingdoms along with punishments metered out on a whim.
It is impossible for a business to survive and provide good service that is not based on providing the simplest/easiest solution to an issue without capital (profit, money, assets). Socialist principals are all well and good as long as they dont impede survival of the environment in which they are applied.
Its called Capitalist reasoning. Just like we cannot survive without a certain amount of capitalism in real life, the game (i.e. Jagex) cannot survive without it. If the profits arent there, then there is no money to hire people to look after what Jagex already has while they work on expansion.
Under capitalism, markets must expand. Just like the game revolves around amassing gps, so does the real world revolve around profit.
Thank you for the explanation. I dont consider a few days grace to be unreasonable. There is benefit to the practice as well. It makes the game look profitable and soluble to any potential investors. Whether it actually is healthy and profitable is a whole different matter.
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Mistreating players on some elitist reasoning of punishing them for having discounts or wanting more consumer friendly business practices is counterproductive. You should treat your playerbase well if you want them to actually stick around long enough to even ply the game at all.
Elitist reasoning? Elitist reasoning is in the realm of Kings & Kingdoms along with punishments metered out on a whim.
It is impossible for a business to survive and provide good service that is not based on providing the simplest/easiest solution to an issue without capital (profit, money, assets). Socialist principals are all well and good as long as they dont impede survival of the environment in which they are applied.
Its called Capitalist reasoning. Just like we cannot survive without a certain amount of capitalism in real life, the game (i.e. Jagex) cannot survive without it. If the profits arent there, then there is no money to hire people to look after what Jagex already has while they work on expansion.
Under capitalism, markets must expand. Just like the game revolves around amassing gps, so does the real world revolve around profit.
Thank you for the explanation. I dont consider a few days grace to be unreasonable. There is benefit to the practice as well. It makes the game look profitable and soluble to any potential investors. Whether it actually is healthy and profitable is a whole different matter.
New(ish) Player
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This is YOUR world, and I'm just a squirrel tryin' to get a nut.
RS3: The game where RWTers are more important than Real Live Players
26-Jan-2023 13:10:36 - Last edited on 26-Jan-2023 13:36:23 by Ruby_Red0
@ Roddy
You have no choice but to get $79.99 into one pile and be willing to allot it all to Jagex to buy Premier Membership. I have it, because I can afford to do that and it is the best deal for a new player or player without the 'grandfathered' option. It works out to only $2.99 more a month than the 'grandfathered' benefit.
I honestly cant think of a single thing in my life that I am paying the same price for that I did 20 years ago. Im pretty confident Jagex overhead and employee costs are probably a tad more than they were 20 years ago as well.
Its one thing if paying more or paying at all is an imposition. It would be foolish to spend money needed to maintain real QoL on any luxuries like a game. That said, it totally blows my mind that anyone that can easily afford to support a game they claim they love and get all nostalgic over wouldnt want to.
If any perks to Premier Membership are given out in exchange for ingame gold, what incentive would anyone have to buy Premier Membership with real life money?
Its important that someone pays for something or Jagex WILL have to close shop one day.
RS3: The game where RWTers are more important than Real Live Players
You have no choice but to get $79.99 into one pile and be willing to allot it all to Jagex to buy Premier Membership. I have it, because I can afford to do that and it is the best deal for a new player or player without the 'grandfathered' option. It works out to only $2.99 more a month than the 'grandfathered' benefit.
I honestly cant think of a single thing in my life that I am paying the same price for that I did 20 years ago. Im pretty confident Jagex overhead and employee costs are probably a tad more than they were 20 years ago as well.
Its one thing if paying more or paying at all is an imposition. It would be foolish to spend money needed to maintain real QoL on any luxuries like a game. That said, it totally blows my mind that anyone that can easily afford to support a game they claim they love and get all nostalgic over wouldnt want to.
If any perks to Premier Membership are given out in exchange for ingame gold, what incentive would anyone have to buy Premier Membership with real life money?
Its important that someone pays for something or Jagex WILL have to close shop one day.
New(ish) Player
:
This is YOUR world, and I'm just a squirrel tryin' to get a nut.
RS3: The game where RWTers are more important than Real Live Players
26-Jan-2023 15:06:14 - Last edited on 26-Jan-2023 15:34:48 by Ruby_Red0
Ruby_Red0
"@ Roddy
You have no choice but to get $79.99 into one pile and be willing to allot it all to Jagex to buy Premier Membership. I have it, because I can afford to do that and it is the best deal for a new player or player without the 'grandfathered' option.
Did I fail to mention that I stink at math lol?
Since there are 12 months in a calendar year and not 10, it works out to $6.67 a month, which is only $1.67 (when achieving a $79.99 base price) more than the $5.00 Grandfathered rate.
I probably would not have a problem with someone paying $60.00 for an annual Premier "Grandfathered" Membership getting full Premier benefits in exchange for their time as a consistently loyal player. For myself, I would feel rather petty to complain about that.
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said
:
"@ Roddy
You have no choice but to get $79.99 into one pile and be willing to allot it all to Jagex to buy Premier Membership. I have it, because I can afford to do that and it is the best deal for a new player or player without the 'grandfathered' option.
It works out to only $2.99 more a month than the 'grandfathered' benefit."
Did I fail to mention that I stink at math lol?
Since there are 12 months in a calendar year and not 10, it works out to $6.67 a month, which is only $1.67 (when achieving a $79.99 base price) more than the $5.00 Grandfathered rate.
I probably would not have a problem with someone paying $60.00 for an annual Premier "Grandfathered" Membership getting full Premier benefits in exchange for their time as a consistently loyal player. For myself, I would feel rather petty to complain about that.
New(ish) Player
:
This is YOUR world, and I'm just a squirrel tryin' to get a nut.
RS3: The game where RWTers are more important than Real Live Players
26-Jan-2023 15:38:58 - Last edited on 26-Jan-2023 15:44:29 by Ruby_Red0
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