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Jack Flac
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Dilbert2001 said :
Sylvanheart said :
Dilbert2001 said :
@OP

On the top right corner there is a lock for the UI.


UI lock doesn't prevent prayers from being dragged out of the menu. Hotbar lock does.

It's like they think everyone only uses hotbars for everything :@

Lock the hotbars with the lock icon on the right of the ability bar then.

Not that "hotbars" are used for everything but most players use them effectively to give us lots of benefits over Legacy Mode I told you in the posts above. More often we don't even bother to click or look at a lot of things on the hotbars. We just use take advantages of the keybinds, and it means no issues you have like prayer switching, drinking potion delays etc. I still click in my inventory a fair bit even in full manual.... Leader of The Enemy ||
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21-Sep-2022 04:40:09

Sylvanheart
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Roddy Piper said :
@Sylvanheart. Just so you know I sent a bug report about the click issue. Or tried to at least, the bug report interface has been glitched for over a year. The text was there, hopefully they can understand it. :-)

Mm... thanks but I wouldn't count on it getting fixed. These sorts of issues are all over the place with this game. Many similar annoyances are mentioned in the OP. There just seems to be a general lack of awareness about the knock on consequences of what appear at face value to be positive improvements.

21-Sep-2022 05:06:03

Roddy Piper
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I use the legacy interface with EOC. So I can't help with the setup.

Do you have the action bars binded to weapon style? Like when I switch from 2h to dual wield the bar swaps instantly. (there is an entire sub-menu for action bar binding in settings)

I'm not that advanced into combat, so IDK why you would have 2 melee bars when it can switch automatically.

On my setup the only difference from legacy is the EOC action bars right above the chat. I have 2. The top one is my current equipped weapon, the bottom one is defense, surge, protection prayers, and the various things I click regardless of combat style.

I'm happy with it, but I do wish I had a couple more spots. I'd rather use the protection prayers from the book like I always did before that update.

21-Sep-2022 05:11:33

Dilbert2001
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Sylvanheart said :

Mm... thanks but I wouldn't count on it getting fixed. These sorts of issues are all over the place with this game. Many similar annoyances are mentioned in the OP. There just seems to be a general lack of awareness about the knock on consequences of what appear at face value to be positive improvements.

There are known issues with the Tick System for 20 years. They are talking about improving it to 0.1s Tick, but it will take a bit of time. Jagex is definitely aware and the CEO asked for 0.1s for all their games too.

You can a file a bug report if you want (not that Jagex isn't aware), of course, but it is not any EoC issue. Don't expect everything to be fixed overnight though, and actually I think eventually they may replace the Tick System with something else when the old games are moved to UE5.

21-Sep-2022 05:20:46

Roddy Piper
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• Abilities are now activated more strategically. With the removal of most basic abilities, basic damage output comes from auto-attacks, while abilities are used occasionally to grant buffs/debuffs/bursts of damage/healing, etc. Choosing which ability to use and when becomes more important than the order in which you repeatedly activate different abilities.


The new Chaos Roar ability for melee is just like this. It adds 100% damage to the next hit. It is a basic ability so it adds adrenaline, and a 60 second cooldown so you do need some strategy. IMO it makes melee a lot more fun.

21-Sep-2022 06:02:02

Vengeance of
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I think one of the biggest issues with RuneScape's combat as it currently stands is that it's really easy to suck at it without knowing why .

My personal experience with EoC was immensely frustrating for over four years of playing RS3; it's only been this past month where I finally got things to "click". Before then, even using T85 weapons and armour, my time using EoC for anything more than farming relatively weak monsters felt abysmal to play . My DPS was so low that I was struggling to kill things with EoC faster than I was with Legacy. Bosses that required the use of EoC felt like such a nightmare that it took me literally upwards of two years before I could get past The Pharaoh or Story Mode Seiryu for their respective quests without using DTDs. In fact, before today , I'd never killed anything harder than the Corporeal Beast, hell, I'd never cleared Arch-Glacor with all mechanics on. It was especially frustrating knowing that bots were farming the likes of ED3 on normal mode with equipment much weaker than what I was using; try as I might, I just could not get my head around what I was doing wrong. I've been two achievements from Comping for nearly two years now (music and Movrvan's challenge), all because PvM just wasn't working out for me.

A couple weeks ago, after getting my face stomped in repeatedly by solo Nex trying to get her defender for FashionScape, I got so livid and disheartened that I looked up guides to try to find out what on earth I was doing wrong, one last ditch attempt to make EoC not feel like garbage for me.

The answer? My Revolution bar needed minor tweaks. That's all. I had been using a couple of my abilities sub-optimally and it was making my DPS a fraction of what it's intended to be. Easily fixed.

I'm still terrible at PvM -- I only beat full-mechanics Arch-Glacor for the first time today and even that took some attempts -- but for the first time, I have hope that I'll get better.

24-Sep-2022 02:51:04 - Last edited on 24-Sep-2022 06:18:27 by Vengeance of

Vengeance of
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The reason I bring this up is that it shouldn't take an experienced player -- one that's had thousands of hours in-game and maxed in every skill -- four years and a guide made by a professional PvMer to figure out how to make a game's marquee combat system feel passable . I seriously have to wonder how many players RuneScape has lost over the years simply because they ran into the same problems I did. I'm no genius, but surely I'm not so stupid as to be the only one who has fallen into this trap.

Basic functionality in a combat system should not hang in the balance of whether or not you have two or three abilities in the wrong order, let alone one that doesn't even try to tell you what you're doing wrong.

24-Sep-2022 03:05:24 - Last edited on 24-Sep-2022 06:14:47 by Vengeance of

Jack Flac
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You know it's funny that you mention that. I don't think that most of the Jagex mods actually working on the game even currently understand how the combat system works. If Jagex were to implement a mandate right this minute, that every Jagex Moderator was required to spend X amount of time playing the game daily, skilling, playing minigames, learning how to do bosses,and the ins and outs of PVP, Like is mandated in FFXIV, I'm certain we would see a different train of updates than what we do now. Honestly they should implement that. Mandate that every person working on the game actually play the game they are working on regularly. See how the game they are deigning actually plays outside of their playtest accounts with max stats and invincibility options. Might actually see some proper reworks to this broken ass combat system we've been stuck with for the past decade. Leader of The Enemy ||
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24-Sep-2022 04:35:08

Roddy Piper
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The official Runescape Youtube channel posted a highly topical video on July 29. The title is literally "Let's chat about why combat is difficult to understand in RuneScape"

IMO their general attitude is other games don't provide instructions so it's nap time. The end sequence is infuriating.

24-Sep-2022 14:18:20 - Last edited on 24-Sep-2022 14:21:03 by Roddy Piper

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