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Ruby_Red0
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I have personally sold hundreds of thousands of runes including airs below 50 each, not a sing gp tax paid.

This is what Jagex told us:

The release tariff will be 2%, not applying to items traded below 50 coins each.


https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/death-costs-a-matter-of-life-and-death

I haven't been pvming for over a month (except the daily 1 Raptor Rampage kill) but I am making far more money before the GE tax because most pvm items I crafted as a skillers have gone up by far more than 2%.

Well aside from air runes, what else do skillers have that sells below 50 gps. Earth runes, Body and Mind runes.

What else?

How was the 50 gp figure reached?

I have this vision of someone saying, "
We can throw them some table scraps.
"

Like a famous world figurehead is quoted as saying, "They will have nothing and they will be happy."


Im not happy. :(

Maybe I can get happy if someone can tell me what skillers have that sell for 3.2 Billion and Hundreds of Millions.

Maybe Im just to nooby to understand that high gold items like PvM has are in my future.

Right now, I cant even sell an overload. Which means an unseasoned person that attempts PvM cant use an overload.
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19-Jan-2023 02:36:23 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2023 02:39:40 by Ruby_Red0

Dilbert2001
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I have personally sold hundreds of thousands of runes including airs below 50 each, not a sing gp tax paid.

This is what Jagex told us:

The release tariff will be 2%, not applying to items traded below 50 coins each.


https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/death-costs-a-matter-of-life-and-death

I haven't been pvming for over a month (except the daily 1 Raptor Rampage kill) but I am making far more money before the GE tax because most pvm items I crafted as a skillers have gone up by far more than 2%.

Well aside from air runes, what else do skillers have that sells below 50 gps. Earth runes, Body and Mind runes.

What else?

How was the 50 gp figure reached?

I have this vision of someone saying, "
We can throw them some table scraps.
"

Like a famous world figurehead is quoted as saying, "They will have nothing and they will be happy."


Im not happy. :(

Maybe I can get happy if someone can tell me what skillers have that sell for 3.2 Billion and Hundreds of Millions.

Maybe Im just to nooby to understand that high gold items like PvM has are in my future.

Right now, I cant even sell an overload. Which means an unseasoned person that attempts PvM cant use an overload.

You made this false comment and I 100% rebutted you:

"I cant put 1 rune on the GE without it being taxed. That doesnt seem fair."


There are a lot of skilling products that sell for below 50 gp each too. Many kind of bolts/arrows, soda ash etc just off my head.

19-Jan-2023 03:32:49

Ruby_Red0
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I cant put 1 rune on the GE without it being taxed. That doesnt seem fair.

I would ask why did Jagex bother with a crap-ton of skills (some of which seem useless except to get a max cape), and a crap-ton of Quests, and a crap-ton of Achievement if all a player was supposed to do was go 'bossing'?

One thing I was just learning to appreciate was the many diverse ways this game can be played.

PvMers got reduced Death costs.


Fair enough. That's not a bad thing.

What does the rest of the player-base get?


You can craft a billion air rune and sell them on the GE without paying 1 gp. Items below 50 gp aren't taxed.

You have done that Dilbert? You crafted a ton of air runes and put them on the GE and got no tax?

This is your personal experience. Its a fact you are saying?

I mean you are correct, but it would be a strange social experiment beyond even that of the Ironman players to think its fair because a player could limit themselves to selling stuff worth 50 gps or less while reasonably meeting their needs and being happy.

No, they just have to boost the cost to absorb the tax which creates more inflation, and all so PvMers & PKers can have cheaper death costs, and Jagex maintain its much needed coin sink.

Interestingly enough, Jagex releases a lot of coin to PvMers in Boss and trash runs, but we dont want to sink as much of the PvMers coin as we would want to sink any other type of players coin, right?

No, that wouldnt be good. O_o


P.S. Rune essence goes for 120 gps each. You will be hard pressed to get it cheaper, but I guess an air rune crafter wont mind dedicating a portion of their time to mining their own pure essence rather than buy it from another player.


Im guessing you skim read right over this Dilbert.

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19-Jan-2023 03:50:22

Dilbert2001
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Do you know plenty of skilling methods make us more gp/hr than bossing?

For instance, crafting many different kinds of runes give more gp/hr than a lot of bosses including the fairly new EGW bosses like Kerapac and Arch Glacor?

https://runescape.wiki/w/Money_making_guide

Skillers make a lot of gp/hr, and in many cases, even more than pvmers.

Skilllers die more often as plenty have been enjoying skilling in Wildy after the Reborn. They are also taking advantages of the Deatch Cost Reduction.

Deatch Cost Reduction and GE Tax balance out themselves among skillers too.

19-Jan-2023 04:13:00

Ruby_Red0
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Nope. I use the Goth herb patch, but Im not skulled. I have no idea what other skills are worth doing there.

I think in many ways the Wildy is more dangerous since you have NPCs ganking you more sneakily and easily than PKers ever could.

That said, I do most my dying at the soul obelisk in Menaphos while trying to simultaneously watch Youtube, lol.

I recently got into the Wilderness because I decided I wanted the Wilderness Sword.

Only up to level 2 though because I need the Summers End quest.

I like the Task system. You learn a lot about a place. Im a high enough level that so far the marauding bands of revenant beasts and random volcano shots do little damage.
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19-Jan-2023 04:22:14

Dilbert2001
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^^
Perhaps you should learn from the other skillers, unless you think the RS Wiki is wrong.

You don't do things other skillers do is just your own choice to make less gp/hr. Likewise, some outlier pvmers can also say they only kill KBD so Death Cost Reduction is menaing to them. Do I really need to point out the falacy?

Evidently skilling is very profitable in RS3, unlike other games that are catered to pvper and pvmers and ruining the economy for all skillers.

Skillers in RS3 are so relevant and profitable, of course they pay more tax when they make more gp/hr.

19-Jan-2023 04:31:21

Ruby_Red0
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I use the Wiki, Dilbert.

How much content do you think one person can take in?

I think Ive done well for someone that has only played 6 or 7 months. Im happy with my progress and dont care what anyone else thinks about my progress.

No one is paying my bills for me, so I am the only one I need to answer to at this point.

Im not looking forward to Necromancy, but I dont know enough about to make a snap judgement, I just know that grinding levels is getting old.

I realize that there are a number of maxed out players that probably cant wait for something new to do -

another example of my truth and your truth not looking very much alike.

Good night Del.
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19-Jan-2023 04:50:05

Dilbert2001
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Thank you for your confession that you only played for 6 or 7 months. Perhaps you are just not experienced enough to know the nice balance between skillers and pvmers in this free market, player driven economy of RS3.

Skillers in 2023 RS3 are more significant than any time in RSC/RS2/OSRS since 2002 when they added dragon weapons that can only be obtained from pvming. Hence, this GE tax balances out Death Cost nicely.

19-Jan-2023 05:11:30

A Time Thief
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This tariff nonsense has irked me to some degree and I raised this concern about being taxed for nothing over on Discord. We Americans already have to pay extra on everything in real life and having to do it (so to speak) in a fantasy MMO is a kick in the teeth. Right off the bat, Jagex claimed this was put into place to reduce in-game currency and inflation... supposedly.

I've played for nearly 17 years and not once did I think "Hmm, there's just too much darn gold in this game. Someone better do something about it, post haste."

Wanting to sell something (above 50gp?) on the G.E now has been feeling like a punishment. People claim it's only a few hundred thousand or million coins but that quickly adds up. For example, at the end of a week merching, that's taking a hit of 10/20/30+ million coins which could've paid for raising Herblore.

But, hey ~ I'm no expert in economics so what do I know? Clearly someone over there at the company with an accounting degree thought this was the best thing ever. We do, however, know when we're getting ripped off by getting penalized for something we didn't do.

19-Jan-2023 05:20:26

Dilbert2001
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Right off the bat, Jagex claimed this was put into place to reduce in-game currency and inflation... supposedly.

I've played for nearly 17 years and not once did I think "Hmm, there's just too much darn gold in this game. Someone better do something about it, post haste."



There is not a problem with "too much darn gold in the game". The GE tax is implemented to balance out the Death Cost Reduction. It has nothing to do with reduce-in-game-currency and inflation. Your supposition is just off the mark.

19-Jan-2023 05:35:38

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