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Englishkid62

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2) I don't understand what you are meaning to say here, you claim that you can't choose to believe in God, but that religion is a choice?
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I’m saying that religion is a choice, and is in fact, even more of a choice than being ***, since religion can’t be backed up with saying that you can’t help who you love. The idea is, if they are both choices, why should you preach against others from their choice? You have no more right entitled to your choice than *** people to their's. And they haven’t done anything to you.

3) Christianity itself did not kill the people, idiots that wished to use people's faith to their advantage did. In the Bible, human lives are valued and it is one of the ten commandments not to kill. People that do kill in the name of Christianity are hypocrites, for lack of a better word.
Think about the crusades, were they really about taking Jerusalem for religious reasons? Never in the Bible does it say that Christians have to take back Jerusalem, the crusades were entirely about the land and riches. The pope needed money, so he called for a religious warfare that he knew would fill his pockets. And the people had no choice but to obey, think about it: They can't read the Bible, so they don't know anything about it. The pope is basically God, and if he excommunicates you, you go to hell and loose all hope. People back then had no choice but to go out and do the pope's biddings.
The pope and his chamber used the people's ignorance to get rich. If they were the only religion allowed, then they get all of the money. So that is why they killed so many people. These murders were not caused by Christianity itself, but self-absorbed religious dudes who wanted to get rich.
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23-Oct-2010 21:49:34 - Last edited on 23-Oct-2010 21:56:52 by Englishkid62

Englishkid62

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Christianity itself is a belief, and a belief exists because the people believe it exists, and the belief influences people to do things. To any non-believer, the religion and the people who believed in them are the same thing. And they are, if God is in fact, not real. And human lives are not valued if God killed all first borns of Egypt. And that we should stone ‘***’ people. Human lives are not valued and what is written in the Old Testament is indefensible. Think about it – were the religion not there at all, none of these terrible things would have happened. Of course the murders were caused by Christianity itself. You cannot begin to imagine how much blood was spilt all because of this one book.

4) Who says we do? The fact that people tend to be more towards Christian views is based on opinion. Nothing says that you have to accept christians more than happy people (The other word was censored), people do so just because they agree with one more than the other.
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Lol, no. It’s because Christians give others a set of moral code based in the society thousands of years ago, written by ignorant mystics who knew nothing about genes or evolution. They were there to ‘pass on’ this code that pretty much bypass any attempt for followers to see the world full of grey and shades, and instead separate it into white and black. This is wrong and this is right. It is the preconception that they pass on to the next generation and so the ‘people’ agree with Christianity more, than ‘****’.

5) I think that somehow in your life you had a bad experience with a religious person. Most likely a monastery in which you were forced to live in. I understand, there are those that twist christianity and do with it as they like. But can you really condemn a whole religion because some nut case out there forced it upon others? Can you hate the cook just because someone what had bought his muffins, poisoned them, and gave them to you?

23-Oct-2010 21:49:56

Englishkid62

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But like I have said before, Christianity is not the cause, humans are. If people did follow what the bible states, then there would no war or crimes. The fact that there is proves, that theses people were not Christians. They were people that used Christianity as an excuse to murder, pillage, and get rich.
Christians don't prevent others' to be happy, society does. Who gets to decide whether same gender marriage is allowed or not? The people do. Not christians. Once again, it's public favor that wins. I'm saying whether they are right or wrong, but it's the masses that decide.
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I think that somehow in my life I grow out of this religion and see for what it actually is. When you look at a religion, you have to look at it in an objective way. And I can indeed condemn a whole religion, because for every good work they claimed they did, they brought equal harm to this world. And I will hate the Cook, as I will just fire him and do the cooking myself or, indeed, hire another cook. Christianity is invented by humans so of COURSE humans is the cause. If people follow what the Bible states, those who disrespect their parents will be stoned to death, girls who ever slept with a man before her wedding will be stoned to death, people who believed in a different religion will be stoned to death. Then we would all just believe in one religion, the one denomination, and have the whole humanity thinking alike. Of course that would make a better society, if everyone thinks like me. As for who gets to decide whether to allow same gendered marriage – it’s decided by people, who are majority Christians or under the influence of Christians or have Christian preconceptions of a marriage stuck in their heads. They get to decide. Well, I mean, Christianity is a bit of a weakening religion in a global scale and I can** say I sympathise with them, at all.

23-Oct-2010 21:50:10

Englishkid62

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Not angry. I'm just bitter and twisted :P
Seriously, religion has done nothing except destroy my life, left it in pieces and let me do the job of putting it back together. Trashing me is enough, tough luck on my part, but trashing millions of people is something else.
Religion has given me nothing except more reasons for me to hate it, to antagonise it, to battle it until the day I die. What they have done to me, and others, have my blood boiling to a degree that I want to hurt them indiscriminately, as they have indiscriminately hurt us.
Some of their teachings must end.
It is that simple. When one believer say it is a choice, I will just flip.
Yes, I will do battle against religion for as long as I see it. My writing will always be against it. I despise it, and I see it part of my living purpose to educate others what an ugly thing it is. You can do the praying, converting, and preaching. As far as I'm concerned we're playing on a different team.
Conclusion? Well, let's hope that I do not ever become the U.S. President...

25-Oct-2010 15:56:39 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2010 16:02:02 by Englishkid62

Reaper Ben

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I'm glad that you are being honest :)
I totally understand what you mean, I myself am not for religion. Religions are just wrong. Having faith in God though, that is what I believe in. The two are totally different.
I'm glad that this debate is almost over, cause no matter how much we would have argued; we would both have come up with counter arguments. You being the wiser of us both, your arguments would probably have been the best.
I just hope that you don't take your hate too far. Religion is the cause, not God. I just want you to understand that. :)

25-Oct-2010 16:31:03

Englishkid62

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I'm glad that you are being honest
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If I were totally honest, I'd say I despise religion more than Sith :P
I totally understand what you mean, I myself am not for religion. Religions are just wrong. Having faith in God though, that is what I believe in. The two are totally different.
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Yes, faith in God is fine, as it is personal, and I have no problem with that. I have problem with people who has faith in God, then use it in a way that affects other people in a negative way. So for example, outspoken haters. Just because they believe in God doesn't give them the right to do that.
I just hope that you don't take your hate too far. Religion is the cause, not God. I just want you to understand that.
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Well, if God is real and He started the religion, then He is the indeed the cause lol.

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Completely unrelated: During the first few weeks of the release of Brotherly Love, I casually found a one post long story called Sisterly Love, which is blatantly obvious that someone is fond of my title. However, his story took the subject literally and the part about reproduction at the end came as a surprise.

27-Oct-2010 15:20:31 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2011 18:23:19 by Englishkid62

Reaper Ben

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Well, if God is real and He started the religion, then He is the indeed the cause lol.
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God didn't found religion, man did. God never said "Go and found religion.
He said, "Go and spread the good news." Totally different.

Completely unrelated: During the first few weeks of the release of Brotherly Love, I casually found a one post long story called Sisterly Love, which is blatantly obvious that someone is fond of my title. However, his story took the subject literally and the part about reproduction at the end came as a surprise.
And Niht has the most amazing brother in the world
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Lol, copycats :@ .
Who's Niht?

27-Oct-2010 15:49:24

Englishkid62

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God didn't found religion, man did. God never said "Go and found religion.
He said, "Go and spread the good news." Totally different.
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Not totally different. I recall God saying that 'worship me and no other God.' And God made man hoping that man would worship him.

Who's Niht?
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Nihtgaldere, who posted his long rant/disagreement with me in around page 25 or something. God, he's such a hater :P

28-Oct-2010 14:50:18

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