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Westenev

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To be fair, I don't see why the Reapers would fight the Flood - all the Reapers want to do is stop skynet from destroying all life in the universe (by killing their creators before they can finish skynet).

Unless, of course, the flood were deemed a threat so dangerous that they could end all organic life.

Thus, I don't see the problem with the Reapers using the flood for what they were designed to do - to act as bioweapons.



EDIT: now, necromorphs on the other hand...
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11-Jun-2017 01:53:54 - Last edited on 11-Jun-2017 01:59:08 by Westenev

NotFishing

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Westenev said :
Apples and Oranges argument. Boring.

And completely valid.

Westenev said :
All I'm saying is that, under the scenario the flood decides to waltz onto a reaper vessel, it would likely get indoctrinated and lose control of its flood

But the Flood are all linked to the Gravemind. They are not independent beings. You would have to indoctrinate the Gravemind in order to control the Flood, and we don't even know if that would be possible.

Westenev said :
and in a drawn out fight, the flood would eventually lose.

Depends entirely on what weapons the Flood have access to.

Westenev said :
The flood just use.

As well as evolve into new forms and creatures. They take existing life and evolve it.

Inferi said :
Oh, it's not actual control of the mind? I retract my argument then. Reapers have the advantage.

It might as well be mind control. If someone is exposed to it long enough, the Logic Plague can completely change their viewpoint.

Westenev said :
Thus, I don't see the problem with the Reapers using the flood for what they were designed to do - to act as bioweapons.

Except there is a problem. The Reapers using the flood. That's the problem right there. The Flood is an independent faction that can threaten the entire galaxy - the only way to truly stop it is to either eradicate every last trace of it, or eradicate literally everything else. Having them just become another faction's lackey completely undermines them as a threat. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

11-Jun-2017 02:04:45 - Last edited on 11-Jun-2017 02:06:40 by NotFishing

Westenev

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NotFishing said :
And completely valid.

And entirely unhelpful towards solving a hypothetical situation.

NotFishing said :
But the Flood are all linked to the Gravemind. They are not independent beings. You would have to indoctrinate the Gravemind in order to control the Flood, and we don't even know if that would be possible.

Incorrect. The interactions between the parasite and the gravemind could be intercepted – either by indoctrinating the flood forms themselves by adding reaper tech, or by some remote means. This has, in universe, been shown to be possible with the Rachnai and (to a lesser extent) the Reaper forces themselves.

NotFishing said :
Depends entirely on what weapons the Flood have access to.

Lets say the Flood WERE a threat. The Reapers flee and enter darkspace, wait another 50,000 years. What would await them?

NotFishing said :
As well as evolve into new forms and creatures. They take existing life and evolve it.

They take existing life and morph it.

NotFishing said :
It might as well be mind control. If someone is exposed to it long enough, the Logic Plague can completely change their viewpoint.

Except, the Reapers can do the same. Only, they have the advantage of a physical and psychological assault to hasten the process along.
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11-Jun-2017 02:39:55 - Last edited on 11-Jun-2017 02:42:59 by Westenev

Westenev

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NotFishing said :
Except there is a problem. The Reapers using the flood. That's the problem right there. The Flood is an independent faction that can threaten the entire galaxy - the only way to truly stop it is to either eradicate every last trace of it, or eradicate literally everything else. Having them just become another faction's lackey completely undermines them as a threat.

Until they achieve sufficient biomass, they are a bioweapon. Not a faction.

People are too caught up in making things equal. That’s just not the way things work – some things are inherently more powerful in a head to head clash. I honestly think a plot should reflect this – if a Gravemind can’t fight a reaper directly, then how can it win? I just don’t think “it talked a captive AI into submission once” is a good enough reason to say a Reaper might be susceptible to such faults - especially since we know in-universe reapers have mind-control and hivemind control intercept capabilities.

On the other hand, you COULD instead play to the Gravemind’s strengths – time and assimilation. They are VERY effective against organic foes - so why not focus there?

(Think of it this way: The faster all of the organics are assimulated, the faster the Reapers will re-enter Darkspace. It's very possible the Gravemind may outlast the extinction event - which is the Graveminds win.)


EDIT: At the very least, we know the Reapers likely won't risk firing a halo for fear of killing off future sentient life. So the Flood have that going for them.
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11-Jun-2017 02:40:29 - Last edited on 11-Jun-2017 02:53:33 by Westenev

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