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NotFishing

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Annie1227 said :
I think mind tricks would work using the Dark side and the light side of the force.

Sith don't mindtrick.

They mind****

See: Kylo Ren's interrogation of Poe

But still, even mindtricks are screwed up. You are depriving the victim of their free will, their most basic right, and forcing them to do something they normally wouldn't have done.

Most Jedi have only ever used it to avoid conflicts, or influence the victim into making a good decision, but there's still some potential to do some seriously messed up stuff. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

18-May-2017 03:16:01 - Last edited on 18-May-2017 03:17:38 by NotFishing

Westenev

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Wasn't there a theory that Kylo Ren has been mind manipulated by the First Order since birth? I've been digging a little, and it seems to be the reason Kylo might have a case of split personality disorder like dear ol grandpa. O_o
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18-May-2017 03:21:48

Westenev

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NotFishing said :
Annie1227 said :
Its the Same thing.

It's not the same thing.

Kylo straight-up tortured Poe's mind.

Jedi cannot and would not do that.

Wouldn't they?

Jedi are on the far side of the "righteousness" scale, they can justify anything so long as it’s kept behind closed doors "for the greater good".
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18-May-2017 03:38:06

NotFishing

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Westenev said :
NotFishing said :
Annie1227 said :
Its the Same thing.

It's not the same thing.

Kylo straight-up tortured Poe's mind.

Jedi cannot and would not do that.

Wouldn't they?

Jedi are on the far side of the "righteousness" scale, they can justify anything so long as it’s kept behind closed doors "for the greater good".

They would not. They are meant to show mercy. Plus, inflicting pain like that on someone is a path to the Dark Side.

Yes, I know Windu wanted to kill Palpatine, but both Windu and Palpatine are exceptions. Windu himself was leaning towards the Dark Side according to the now-decanonized EU (his lightsaber style revolved around channeling his anger into combat, and many who practice it succumb to the Dark Side, and Windu mastered it.) And Palpatine... he's Palpatine, goddammit. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

18-May-2017 03:44:11 - Last edited on 18-May-2017 03:45:15 by NotFishing

Westenev

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NotFishing said :
Westenev said :
NotFishing said :
Annie1227 said :
Its the Same thing.

It's not the same thing.

Kylo straight-up tortured Poe's mind.

Jedi cannot and would not do that.

Wouldn't they?

Jedi are on the far side of the "righteousness" scale, they can justify anything so long as it’s kept behind closed doors "for the greater good".

They would not. They are meant to show mercy. Plus, inflicting pain like that on someone is a path to the Dark Side.

Yes, I know Windu wanted to kill Palpatine, but both Windu and Palpatine are exceptions. Windu himself was leaning towards the Dark Side according to the now-decanonized EU (his lightsaber style revolved around channeling his anger into combat, and many who practice it succumb to the Dark Side, and Windu mastered it.) And Palpatine... he's Palpatine, goddammit.

Didn't Dooku fall to the dark side because of backroom dealings in the Republic and Jedi Order? It's hardly a new issue presented only by the characters we see.
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18-May-2017 03:50:42

Westenev

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Annie1227 said :
Windu was not going to the dark side

Canon sources say he was close to. Reasonable authority figures aren't always as mature as they seem; that's the quality that makes them so damn reasonable. There was some real bloodlust in his quest for Palpetene.
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18-May-2017 03:51:58 - Last edited on 18-May-2017 03:53:26 by Westenev

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