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Azi Demonica

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Yes, it's OK, and by "monsters" I take it you were referring to the parts of the Chaos monster, its lungs having already been destroyed by Amelia some time ago. Annie, as always, speaks cutely against overwhelming odds. The Oni Amelia stumbled upon will make an appearance later on, too. Hopefully, Guthix will come back and control Farren for the Chaos fight. If anyone else would like to control or create a "drop-in hero" to fight against Chaos, that can be done as well.

Ha, and I completely forgot that Annie had a bow and arrows in Broken World, too bad I forgot about that, I would have mentioned pub-goers reacting to that. Now, we just wait for the other users to respond.

04-Jul-2016 08:54:10 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2016 08:57:43 by Azi Demonica

D F Angel

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Annie1227 said :
Is it better now?

Angel can I talk to u in the game?


Sorry about that Annie, I took an early night's sleep! If you're around, I'll happily talk to you ingame. Just let me know.

Westenev said :
Zamorak was never in any trouble, he's in too important a conflict with Sue-ros.


I do think they took Zaros's character in a peculiar direction, but again this is coming from someone who never even started Desert Treasure. I don't necessarily buy into this 'loftier than the young god struggles' persona, given his continent-spanning empire in the Second Age. I feel like he should be a more divisive figure than current game lore has given.

NotFishing said :
I have not participated in a single event, but it really disappoints me how many people are ignoring key facts. Jagex repeatedly states that Saradomin is not the 'God of Good'; that's just propaganda. And the Kinshra were just trying to reclaim the city they were unjustly kicked out of, and wreck vengeance on the White Knights who are taking advantage of their king's failing health to push forward their own political agenda.


Which is tiresome in itself. Death to Chivalry, or whatever the BKF rework quest was called, seemed to go out of its way to make Saradomin seem as horrible as possible- and this is meant to be the first time new players will ever interact with Saradomin. They should let the corrupt nature of his character be revealed slowly, and not hammer it in constantly like they're doing at the moment. Like they did with the White Knights/Temple Knights, though as far as I can tell they're trying to abandon that plot-line altogether.
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04-Jul-2016 19:05:46

NotFishing

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D F Angel said :
I do think they took Zaros's character in a peculiar direction, but again this is coming from someone who never even started Desert Treasure. I don't necessarily buy into this 'loftier than the young god struggles' persona, given his continent-spanning empire in the Second Age. I feel like he should be a more divisive figure than current game lore has given.


He actually regretted building the Empire, and realized that he was wrong - "Mortals cannot be compelled through will or force alone."

He's still pretty divisive though. Thanks to Seren, there are a lot of people in the "Don't trust Zaros!" camp.

D F Angel said :
Which is tiresome in itself. Death to Chivalry, or whatever the BKF rework quest was called, seemed to go out of its way to make Saradomin seem as horrible as possible- and this is meant to be the first time new players will ever interact with Saradomin. They should let the corrupt nature of his character be revealed slowly, and not hammer it in constantly like they're doing at the moment. Like they did with the White Knights/Temple Knights, though as far as I can tell they're trying to abandon that plot-line altogether.


Yeah, the Temple Knight plotline basically ended with Salt in the Wound, and only vaguely tied into other questlines. I wished that when they first came up with that particular quest line, they gave an option to join the Black Knights instead but give you the similar missions. In the Black Knight Fortress quest, for example, you could be given the quest by Lord Daquarius in the Taverly Dungeon to infiltrate the Black Knight Fortress, who have gone rogue, and he fears that their actions could provoke another conflict that the Black Knights may be unable to win. Stopping them solidifies your allegiance to the Kinshra.

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Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

04-Jul-2016 19:20:08 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2016 19:53:24 by NotFishing

NotFishing

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Then in Recruitment Drive, you get a series of trials to become an official Black Knight. And in Wanted, you try to hunt down Solus Delegar for the Black Knights because he is causing problems, and at the end of the quest you get to join the Black Knight Elite. (And during that quest, instead of forcing Daquarius to watch as you murder his knights, you do that to Sir Amik instead.)

For the Slug Menace, you are investigating the Temple Knights' interest in Witchaven, and you end up stumbling across the slug problem yourself.

And then Salt in The Wound can play more or less the same, only with a Black Knight instead of a Temple Knight in your company, because the Black Knights want to take credit for the Mother Mallum's defeat and show that they can be a positive force in the world.

All other quests that involve them, like the Void Knight quest, could simply have you turn to the Black Knights for aid instead of the White Knights, or make a reluctant truce with the White Knights.

Unfortunately, it's too late to change any of this, and it would actually require a massive amount of change and retconning to the entire series. It's one thing to change a small quest like Rune Mysteries or Prince Ali Rescue; it is another to transform an entire series. I just wish Jagex had been that creative when they first released the quests, because being a Black Knight would have been amazing.

There is another thing that really bothers me about the lore. In so many quests before Guthix's death, we are always supporting Good Saradominists vs. Evil Zamorakians. In the Dishonored Among Thieves quest, I look at the assembled team of Zamorakians and think: "There is only like two or three people here who the player was not forced to oppose at some point."
Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

04-Jul-2016 19:27:54 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2016 19:49:37 by NotFishing

D F Angel

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That Guthix was born with the universe and was the personification of balance and nature, indestructible, and whose appearance was in the eye of the beholder (with his 'true' form being akin to a floating skull,) was much more interesting to me than 'he was a guy that got lucky.' It's also annoying that, given this was the lore beforehand, they then made Saradomin older than Guthix. It subverts Guthix's absolute superiority. Hags be hagglin', gods be god damn crazy, it's all happening ogre at Into The Fire

04-Jul-2016 19:56:26

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