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D F Angel

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NotFishing said :
Also, leaving so much stuff in the hands of world events. Really sucks for the Zamorak supporters (Battle of Lumbridge, Invasion of Falador), who constantly get screwed over by all the people who are ignorant of the lore. Or the Bandos supporters, whose god was killed off in his first world event because he was so unpopular.

The world events were questionable to me from the start. You're making plot-defining actions that future new players will never be able to impact in any way, and I think that's unfair. In general recent updates seem to have not been handled as smoothly as they should have. Things like Missing, Presumed Death where you should have about one hundred quests completed to know what's happening, but has only one quest requirement because they don't want to make new content that no one will see. Instead of making the game dense, they should have expanded outwards.

But I suppose that isn't a problem you'd see until it became too late.

Killing off Bandos in what was essentially an interactive player poll is disgraceful. I lost faith in my fellow players the day that they voted for guard dogs to defend Lumbridge instead of guard rats, which would have fit the aesthetic so much better. What a shambles.

Still, what can I say? I stopped playing the game back in like, 2008 at the latest. I've kept atop of the lore but I've barely touched the game mechanics, so I shouldn't be one to criticise too heavily. Hags be hagglin', gods be god damn crazy, it's all happening ogre at Into The Fire

04-Jul-2016 00:08:56

Westenev

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In my opinion, World Events are a copy of other games attempts at "Living Stories". Other games have pulled it off successfully, in my opinion (For example, Guild Wars 2). However, in the aforementioned game, each "living story" was a chapter to a story revolving around characters and explains how the world around us changes and the consequences of our actions. They are not just a temporary mini-game to decide the most popular colour of the week with maybe a follow-up quest TBA, like World Events have turned out to be.

Sure, world events shouldn't be so lore heavy that you need to spam spacebar for an hour - but the average player should feel like they're there for more than just the rewards (And hardcore lorenerds should be given enough to create conspiracies for the next 2 years of content). Having taken part in WE2, WE3 and the Falador invasion, I can say Jagex failed to pique my interest lore wise in any of these events. For example, I still don't know anything about Armadyl or his culture besides him being a Saradomin clone.

Regardless, they were fun at the time. :P I still lol every time I see the GHWC (Great High War Chicken) "Arma firin' mah lazar".




NotFishing said :
Also, leaving so much stuff in the hands of world events. Really sucks for the Zamorak supporters (Battle of Lumbridge, Invasion of Falador), who constantly get screwed over by all the people who are ignorant of the lore. Or the Bandos supporters, whose god was killed off in his first world event because he was so unpopular.

Zamorak was never in any trouble, he's in too important a conflict with Sue-ros. I'm willing to bet that if Saradomin lost, like what I have reasons to suspect Jagex wanted, he (Saradomin) would be biting the dust right now - not facing a temporary power demotion which would later be rectified in a quest regardless of the players actions.

#playerpower.
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04-Jul-2016 00:48:54 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2016 01:07:23 by Westenev

NotFishing

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Westenev said :
Zamorak was never in any trouble, he's in too important a conflict with Sue-ros. I'm willing to bet that if Saradomin lost, like what I have reasons to suspect Jagex wanted, he (Saradomin) would be biting the dust right now - not facing a temporary power demotion which would later be rectified in a quest regardless of the players actions.

#playerpower.

The problem is that even though Zamorak has regained his power, Saradomin has ascended a tier, so it is extremely unlikely that Zamorak can match Saradomin in a one on one fight now. Additionally, the poor Black Knights still live in exile, and are demoralized after their defeat at Falador.

I have not participated in a single event, but it really disappoints me how many people are ignoring key facts. Jagex repeatedly states that Saradomin is not the 'God of Good'; that's just propaganda. And the Kinshra were just trying to reclaim the city they were unjustly kicked out of, and wreck vengeance on the White Knights who are taking advantage of their king's failing health to push forward their own political agenda.

I get that the Black Knights are no saints, but the White Knights are in the wrong here. Also, the Black Knight leader is a cool dude, and taking Falador would weaken Saradomin's hold over Asgarnia. There is almost no reason to support Saradomin.

Armadyl - Black Knights were unjustly kicked out and persecuted, while both the White Knights and Temple Knights are corrupt. Help the Black Knights.
Zamorak - Black Knights are loyal Zamorakians. Help them out
Bandos - Zamorak's philosophy is closer to Bandos's than Saradomin's.
Sliske - A city populated almost entirely by Saradominists suddenly being overwhelmed by Zamorakians will be interesting.
Zaros - Doesn't care. He favors neither side over the other, and has more important things to worry about.
Godless - Weaken Saradomin's hold, since he is currently the most powerful. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

04-Jul-2016 02:56:59 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2016 03:10:17 by NotFishing

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Westenev said :
For example, I still don't know anything about Armadyl or his culture besides him being a Saradomin clone.

Armadyl is much more idealistic and more reluctant to fight. Unlike Saradomin, he does not believe gods should rule mortals, but guide and coexist peacefully with them. They both strive to be good, but Armadyl will not sacrifice his moral standards just to further his cause. Saradomin will. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

04-Jul-2016 03:19:30

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"I stopped believing in gods the day I saw the Windproud break up across the bay. Any gods so monstrous as to drown my mother and father would never have my worship, I vowed. In King’s Landing, the High Septon would prattle at me of how all justice and goodness flowed from the Seven, but all I ever saw of either was made by men."

- Stannis Baratheon Ramsay Bolton is the king we deserve.

04-Jul-2016 03:48:23

Westenev

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NotFishing said :
Westenev said :
For example, I still don't know anything about Armadyl or his culture besides him being a Saradomin clone.

Armadyl is much more idealistic and more reluctant to fight. Unlike Saradomin, he does not believe gods should rule mortals, but guide and coexist peacefully with them. They both strive to be good, but Armadyl will not sacrifice his moral standards just to further his cause. Saradomin will.


The difference in ideology is not as different as you might think. While Saradomin thinks Evil must be fought in kind so the "good" can remain pure, Armadyl just outright morally justifies payback as "just", so long as you aren't the aggressor. Ultimately, in terms of moral alignment, it tends to more or less lead to the same actions, conclusion and beliefs. This is why the two factions got along so well in the Godwars, even going so far as to share colours in their warbanners.

It's been stated previously by Jmods that Saradomin does regret what he did to the Nagari people, and that he isn't the zealous git some of his followers make him out to be (he ran away from Guthix's homeland much like how the big high war chicken abandoned the Aviansie on Gielinor). Unlike other gods, however, we don't get to see that because we need to think less of him to have reason to like other gods.

I can try to find the links later if you call me out, but I'm not sure if the threads still exist.




EDIT: Armadyl was the one who proposed the council of gods to rule over mortals. It is Zaros and Guthix who want mortals to lead themselves, albeit with some Godly assistance behind the scenes.
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04-Jul-2016 03:48:55 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2016 04:32:25 by Westenev

Westenev

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Hmm. We'll see, but at the moment I don't see that scene going anywhere. Writing escort missions isn't my thing, but I don't want that to necessarily transfer into Dirk's character.



You'd think so, but not everyone uses logic in their choice of faction. As far as I can tell, the player base largely responded to world events as follows:

WE1:
"ZOMG, ZAMORAK IZ BAK. L37S HAVE PAPA SMURF KILL HIM BEFORE HE ATTACKS ZAROS"
EDIT: With subsiquent quests, we were told this wasn't true so people would support Zamorak again. Only for that to be retconned with the coming of "Fate of the Gods 2 - Zamorak and Zaros round 2".

WE2:
"Y ISN'T ZAROS HERE! Y CAN'T WE SUPPORT GODLESS?"

WE3:
"ZOMG, ZAROS ISN'T PARTICIPATING. LETS SUPRT DA GODLESS BE4 THE ENEMEE GET 2 STRONK"

Lets face it, Sue-ros's followers are going to destroy Gielinor before too long by empowering the Godless into a lethal-joke-character tier status - moreso because the godless leadership are axe crazy psycho's who let their past hatreds define them. All because Zaros refuses to get off his hands and do anything (anything he does at this point in a world event is sure to win by a landslide, even to the player characters detriment).
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04-Jul-2016 04:04:29 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2016 04:16:26 by Westenev

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