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Eri Vi
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Eri Vi

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Rather coincidently to your conversation with iChuck, 'An eye for an eye' was originally from ancient Babylon; and later adapted to the Hebrew Bible.

Well regardless of the reason the laws existed, be it power or morals; if you had grown up thinking it was OK to punch someone if they were rude then I reckon you could do so without feeling regret. Although if you were to seriously hurt them I suppose you would...

But does everyone have the same moral line? Surely a serial killer would enjoy a murder, even though they understand it's wrong. But why do they understand it's wrong? Do they feel it, or is it because it's a social norm?

Just curious, are you actually religious?

Also, I don't have the Discovery Channel... I'm guessing it's an American thing by your use of the letter z in words like recognise. :P

11-Apr-2010 02:55:48

Logan Shafts
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Logan Shafts

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Rao Bear: Thanks. =]


Ael:

I wonder if you have documentation to back up that bit about babylon? It's kind of hard to prove things like that - but that is a believable tale.


The point I was making is that the laws existed because of morals, not power. And thus, if you had grown up thinking it was OK to punh someone, everybody else would know that since you were acting based on knowledge instead of morals, it would be wrong (Yes, it is wrong regardless of whether on thinks it is - but thats another subject).

Everyone has the same moral line to an extent. People may argue over whether it is right to raise prices of food during floods, ect (I.E. price gouging). But people all seem to recognize that killing is wrong, and there are quite a few basic moral laws that every man seems to know.

I would say that serial killers feel that it is wrong - this is precicely the thing that drives the majority to do it.

Also, I wouldn't call it a 'social norm' to NOT kill people, any more than not drawing purple ducks on everything is a 'social norm' - it's simply something that doesn't fall in the category.

I am not religious. I believe in God, the christian God, but I'm not religious. Religion is all about power, 'don't do this' ect, it was devised as a way for certain people to hold power over others.

The Bible even says repeatedly that 'God is Love' - and if thats the case, he certainly doesn't want people to be waging wars, lying, mocking, and destroying in his name.

Oh, sorry. But surely you have Google, W*kipedia, and Youtube. Discovery is on Youtube actually. =] And yes, I'm american. =p

Note: Thanks, and a Zephyr is a rarely used word for 'gust of wind'.

11-Apr-2010 03:21:49

Eri Vi
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Eri Vi

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I don't have any documentation, but it was on TV. And while that may not be the most reliable source it was one of those history shows on the ABC, I remember they carved the laws of Babylon into a stone obelisk.


Perhaps the majority of serial killers do 'feel' it to be wrong, but what about those who don't? Are they somehow psychotic? And is that from birth, or can it be a result of their surroundings?


It's funny, I had an argument over religion with someone; they were saying how good Christianity is, how their God said 'thou shalt not kill'. So I just had to make a comment about the crusades. I was saying that there’s nothing wrong with believing in a greater power, but the church itself was just made to control people.
Of course they were too stubborn to even acknowledge anything I said...

And yea, I have all that stuff. I'll have a look at the Discovery Channel online soon then.

11-Apr-2010 03:59:38 - Last edited on 11-Apr-2010 04:01:26 by Eri Vi

Logan Shafts
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Alright, then I'll just take your word for it.


I think that every serial killer is psychotic. =p
As for whether they feel morals or not - I'd be interested to see one who didn't.

Yes, circumstances can change peoples perception of things, and people can become 'hardened' to certain things. For instance, somebody who has been in a war might be less morally shocked if he killed somebody.

I don't know how that happens to the said serial killers, but I would argue that they still 'feel morals' - but are less affected, or learn to ignore what they feel instead because they get a twisted pleasure from killing. Just as many young teenagers are tought not to have *** before marriage, yet they do it anyways (A lot of whom would agree that it is wrong) simply because it feels good.


Well, I'm sorry that they were too stubborn to have a decent conversation, you make a good point. The church was made in the bible to help people, actually. And (assuming the Bible is telling the truth, which I believe it is) it did, back then. But eventually people realized they should use it to control people, and it digressed from there. As such, it has a very bad reputation now - for good reasons.

But I exhort you not to judge 'christianity' by the example of twisted men. The old testament is a bit hard to swallow, but what Jesus is recorded to have said in the bible is extraordinary in my opinion - I would suggest it to anybody, even for just an educational read.

Discovery channel is fun - lots of cool information. Some of it is inaccurate, of course, but its still interesting. Also I watch a show called "Mythbusters" which I think is great. =]

11-Apr-2010 04:35:38

Eri Vi
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Eri Vi

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In a way they’re all a little psychotic; but whether they are truly, such as the ones who believe God told them to do it, is different.

Of course they still 'feel morals' but can their morals not be different to ours?

Re-reading my comment about 'church itself was just made to control people.' it did*’t sound the way I meant it, sorry.
I meant the current church, as it stands today.
And I have no doubt the majority of priests and such believe they are purely doing good.

I apologise if you felt I was judging Christianity. I try to think of it as a 'fact' and that each individual can take to it however they wish. Whether someone uses it as a weapon or as a tool to heal, it is solely upon the individual that does so.

EDIT: I watch Mythbusters too :P

11-Apr-2010 05:21:32 - Last edited on 11-Apr-2010 05:24:01 by Eri Vi

CaptChekaka

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What on Earth does your first thing mean? About the cockroaches? I've been looking at it for half an hour now...and still have no idea. :(

What it *is*, though, is really good. Really good. I just need an explanation.

-- Chek

11-Apr-2010 06:40:44

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