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Englishkid62

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Firearms aren't really that powerful ... good against the moral of American natives but not really sufficient against the Spanish or the French army. Canons are extremely inaccurate and only has a small chance of hitting - I really prefer Rome Total War's battles than any of those with firearms to be honest.

I think you will like sea battles, particularly the part you can board other ships and then sell them off for moneys after the battle :) - that will cover the repair costs. Rather than adding another ship to my fleet this is what I would do to unruly pirates. Sometimes I just send my navy out on a mission to 'kill' rather than 'capture', if pirates really annoyed me.

Hearts of Iron 3 for 50 US dollars?! My God, when I bought the collection with all the expansion packs for windows it's only like £25, which should only translate to about $32. Mac version is super expensive O_o

Oh no, you don't take over a faction. They're the Axis, Allies and Comintern. You can play practically almost any country and, if that country is not a faction leader (Germany, Soviet Union, UK) they can practically join any other faction for the duration of the war. USA could join the Axis in 1940 and you can play around with all the what-ifs. And the game really tries to be historically accurate with all the events and decisions and pacts available at the right historical moment.

This game lacks a real battle where you will see stuka dive bombers dropping bombs on allied tanks. Rather, you see a counter (or counters) of infantry/motor/panzer divisions moving into a province supported by stukas flying on top of that and surrounding provinces and get a battle progress bar. But planning at what hour of the day you commence your attacks and your invasion routes is often just as important. Terrain will play a great part as well. On the Eastern Front, it is not surprising to see 140+ German divisions against 200+ Soviet divisions. Micromanaging everything can be tricky :P

07-May-2012 10:10:45

Reaper Ben

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That suck. =/ I would have thought that the firearms would be really powerful- inaccurate granted, but still powerful. Have you ever played the game Cossack2? I wonder if the fire system works the same. It's too bad Pc and MAc aren't compatible on non-internet games, because I would really love to challenge you in Rome! I haven't played multiplayer since last summer, but I'm sure I could somewhat be challenging. =P

Taking over ship, that should like loads of fun! Especially if you can take over bigger ships than yours! How does the boarding work? Can you train your crew to be stronger so that they can win over the enemy ship even if they have more men? Can you use the ship in the current battle once it's been taken over? Is there a cannonball limit?

You'd be surprised at how expansive Mac games are. Most of them are in-between 50-60$ When they are created, but then they tend to rise up. The Halo 1 game we found it on Bbay(E) for around 100$. Needless to say, we didn't buy it. (We as in me and my brothers)

Oh that interesting. I suppose you like either Germany or England right?

Ah, does that work for the tank/infantry battles as well? Or are there on-map battle for those? Is it more like CIV4 or the Total War? (When it comes to battles)

07-May-2012 15:31:15 - Last edited on 07-May-2012 15:31:35 by Reaper Ben

Englishkid62

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Nope. Firearms totally suck. What's the fun watching two squads of infantry standing apart and shooting at each other and numbers decreasing ever so slowly... Granted, I've never actually played Rome Total War multiplayer, so...

Boarding works merely by clicking a ship of yours and designate which enemy ship you want to board. The only thing that 'improves' the odds is either numbers or morale. A bigger ship will almost always be able to take a smaller ship. A smaller ship however, unless the larger ship's numbers are already crippled, or that the larger ship's side has lost most of the battle etc, will not be able to take the larger ship. Once boarding begins, the two ships involved will not be able to take further orders for the duration of the battle. No canon ball limits. But as battle goes on, your ships' hull and canons will be destroyed and your ability to damage will also decrease as the battle goes on.

Germany provides the most interesting choices. Never played England. Would hate to manage the Navy.

It is neither like Total War or Civilisation IV (after watching some Youtube vids). Have you ever played 'RISK'? It's basically a giant chess board in real time (not turn based) that you can pause at any moment and fine tune your attack plans. You never see your units in action, which is why this is more like a managerial kind of game where you want to plan your attacks, which airfields to bomb/raid, where paratrooper lands which would lead to encirclement and quick destruction of enemy divisions to avoid a long war. While flanking you also have to watch out for your supply lines and depots... so instead of thinking like in Rome Total War you are both a famous general that can be everywhere and the Emperor who is all knowing, here, you're just a leader at the top who does manage everything but is never in the front lines.

08-May-2012 15:06:59

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Rome Total War multiplayer is pretty challenging. I don't you you can realize how good you can be in a video game until you reach the multiplayer level. I though I was good at Rome until I joined multiplayer. I learned so many things, and got crushed to nothing so many times. XD Luckily for me though, the leader of the second strongest Rome Total War Multiplayer Alliance thought I was one of two whom had the greatest potential. So until the strongest guy in Rome Multiplayer for Mac would come back (They wanted him to teach me) he would become my sensei! He taught me pretty well, but I stopped online when school started again, so I've probably lost my touch.

That reduces the fun. In the Pirate game I use to play, if you were good enough you could board the strongest ship with the third lamest ship. Of course you would have had to be really good as the opponent had 200+ guns and you had 50. And he had 800 crew members you had 100. But it was doable. There were three types of cannonballs: Green to slow them down, Red to damage the crew, and black to damage the hull. You would have to slow down the ship to a halt (By breaking the masts with the green cannonballs) Then reduce their crew to 50. Then board.

You wouldn't like Navy?! But you're British! XD Stereotype ftw!

=( No on map battles. Bummer. I like being the almighty emperor! XD

08-May-2012 16:08:04

Englishkid62

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Guess if you did multiplayer that much you would have seen all sorts. My playstyle is more designed against the AI XD

Well in navy battles you do have chain shots which demasts the enemy ship, round shots which does maximum hull damage and grapple shots to inflict maximum casualty on the ship. So if I have more ships than the enemy I can consider settling a formation so the first few ships try to completely demasts it, endure his damage and try to cause maximum casualties with grapple shots, then board it.

I just don't think naval units are that fun to play in Hearts of Iron 3. Yeah you have U-boats, destroyers, heavy cruisers, light cruisers, aircraft carriers, battleships, battlecruisers to sort through and send around on missions... I like to organise panzer divisions more.

Yeah, you get to pick the ministers in your government (but some are set so you can't for example fire ****** or Churchill from their respective jobs). You can basically select which technology you want to advance (of which there are hundreds), how many spies you produce a day, how much diplomacy points you get a day to influence other countries and training officers for your army in Leadership Points, of which there is a set amount to distribute.

Then you have your Industrial Capacity Points, from which you will distribute across your industry like upgrading your army units, production of new unites, creation of army supplies, create consumer goods to lower dissent, and reinforcing existing troops. The priorities of all of these will probably change on a week by week basis.

Aside from UK, USA and USSR (I think), no country is self-sufficient in resources, including Germany. Trading must happen because each IC costs resources to run per day. Your policies on occupied territory will affect manpower gain that helps you reinforce/build bigger army...

As you can probably see, Rome Total War is probably an arcade strategy game compared to this...

09-May-2012 09:54:39

Reaper Ben

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Bah, multiplayer was actually mostly based around one technique. I was considered skillful because I was unfamiliar with the common strategy and thus would respond differently then everyone else (strategy wise). As my mentor said, "You are uncorrupted by the strategy that everyone uses".

Ah, sounds better already! =P Can you see your admiral? Doe he/she have a picture, unlike in Rome?

Oh wow, that sounds like a crazy amount of details. Like Macro and Micro would become crucial! Definitely more demanding than Rome.

10-May-2012 15:37:30

Englishkid62

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Ah I see. I would like to see that first hand.

Yes, admiral have a picture but you never see the person. On the sea you see the ship but not the admiral figure, so...

Yeah, it is a lot of details. The game manual is 90 pages long. And in a real game play situation and like a war leader you will be bombarded with notices about 'We have won the battle...' 'We have lost the province...' 'We have started aerial bombardment...' 'Technological advance!' 'Convoy raiding...' 'Trade offers...' 'Non-aggression pact proposal...' Stuff like that. Of course, a lot of these things can be assigned to the AI so you can concentrate on what you care about the most. Even the direction of your land forces. But be warned that I have found the AI way of directing my troops to be an utter waste of manpower and by 1943 it managed to drain my manpower reserves to 0 and Soviets are advancing in all directions and I have no means to reinforce my divisions.

But then, I was already building a nuclear station in 1943 so...

12-May-2012 01:14:22

Reaper Ben

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I'm sure that you can. Just download GameRanger and if you have the CD in your computer you can play online.

Aw, too bad. I always wanted them to give admirals "profile pictures". Granted land generals are used more often than sea (In most cases) but regardless I still would like to know what my admirals look like. Random, which is your favorite faction (Roman) in Rome?

90 Pages... >.> I see. Seems like it might be an overkill realistic game. XD Waste of manpower? Hum. I would think that it would be better to rune everything then. But that seems too time consuming. Can you play Multiplayer? And if so, can there be two people controlling the same faction?

A nuclear reactor! XD Nice! So it's similar to CIV in how you can get crazy technology way ahead of your time?

12-May-2012 17:13:57

Englishkid62

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Oh, I *know* how to play online. Just said I wanted to experience your unorthodox strategies first hand.

Julli. Historically Roman army is red and thus red.

There is a multiplayer function, but two people control two nations, not a single one. So there can be a Germany and Italy coordinated landing in US West coast and stuff like that.

Not way ahead. In my case it's only two years because you will get a penalty for researching things ahead of your time. While you're researching this technology you'll miss out on other things that are in your time so you will be very behind on other things. It's a trade-off.

12-May-2012 23:21:15

Reaper Ben

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XD Well now they've been shaped to ressemble the common strategies but it's still not completely converted.

Julii huh... I like the Brutii best! Although I believe the Scipii are the strongest.

Ah ok, that sounds like it would be really interesting in the multiplayer mode.

Ah yes. Seems you can't get the best of both worlds, heh?

15-May-2012 02:40:00

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