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Sei Asagiri
Nov Member 2019

Sei Asagiri

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I wanted to add something. I do think that blowpipe has needed a nerf for a very long time, but the problem is now you've basically balanced a lot of the content around it. I'm 97 range (was 96 when I got my killcount) and with basically max gear, using blowpipe with rune darts and divine range pots and rigour, I wasn't able to reliably skip grotesque guardian's heal phase. I would get it most of the time, but still I'd say roughly 10% of the time I would still lose the dps check. If you nerf the blowpipe at all, skipping healing phase becomes basically impossible.

Now I know what you're thinking "bro it's just the heal phase for one boss" but I'm certain that there are many other scenarios that are affected here. The point is, if you nerf the blowpipe so badly, you need to adjust MANY other bosses and content to compensate (which will be an absolute nightmare I'm sure). I definitely agree that range should never be the best solution for bosses that are "not intended" to be ranged, like general Graardor, but the solution there is to adjust their stats. That, and your counter-buffs to other gear is laughable. Crystal armor bonus +5% total? Cool, my armor still degrades pretty fast against content I can't/don't pray full protection against, and is inferior to armadyl armor bonuses, which will likely have a next tier eventually, which will make the crystal even worse. Then we look at the tbow and it's still just as OP as ever--the prayer nerf is a slap on the wrist and you're not fooling anyone.

The takeaway I have: if you nerf blowpipe, it needs to be either VERY minor with much greater buffs on other unused gear (like crystal), or you need to be prepared to nerf tbow further and rebalance TONS of content, from slayer to bosses to inferno. Don't think I haven't forgotten how much more difficult bp nerf makes inferno. How is it fair for some to have such an easier inferno cape just because they got them pre-bp nerf?

22-Jan-2021 09:19:36 - Last edited on 22-Jan-2021 09:25:56 by Sei Asagiri

TreborYad

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Dont like the bp nerf and the d hide nerf is too much but what really upsets me is the fact that you are going to do all this without polling it.

The Mod taking the lead on this i suspect is working secretly for a rival or has a grudge against Jagex.

Its smells of EOC all over again and i can assure you many players will quit.

22-Jan-2021 09:26:46

Iron Nyst3

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As a Ironman I must say that blowpipe nerf gonna be something really big, Blowpipe is not 3m on GE for Us, its like 300h grind to get everything done before we can start grinding zulrah for it, and getting blowpipe should open new possibilities, by nerfing it by 50% you gonna kill that item, for Ironman getting def-reduce weapons is almost end game, like DWH that can takes months to get, or BGS which also req 90+ stats and high tier gear, all of it to make blowpipe useful and only if def-red spec hits? you gonna kill XoC for solo ironmans, ACB or DCB wont be enough dps to get solo raids without dying, so now Ironmans with teams that will carry them thro XoC or ToB will have advantage over solo players, how to get those end game range weapons like Tbow or DHC if you want to kill Blowpipe that is necessary to do solo raids?
If you gonna nerf it by 50% in couple of months u gonna be doing buffs to it cuz it gonna be dead content, price of Scales will drop by a lot, and Inferno now its gonna by even 50% harder to everyone who will try to get Inferno after the nerf, Its gonna be no Tbow no Cape.

Except Blowpipe , I agree with almsot everything Im 75 melee stats ironman with BoS (c) but I still agree that BoS should be 80 attack not 75, Black dragon'hide should've reduced magic def, and other maybe slightly by 5-7 each no more. Cheap for mains pkers, but gear that every Iron will use for like 300-400h, Dragon Necklace still dead content, make it stats atleast glory or its gonna be dead content, its 1/1k from Vorkath high lvl boss with value of 50k and no use at all.

22-Jan-2021 09:27:32

Iron oli

Iron oli

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I am really disappointed. Not by the changes in the first place.. they are very random and won't fix the issue but that's not what I'm upset about.

I am upset, that you (it seems intentional) missinterpreted the poll you were running. You wrote: " almost half of those surveyed would not like to see powerful equipment weakend "
But when you look at the poll result it is a completely different picture!
4600 were against it
2000 were neutral
2600 were okay with it
You counted the neutral ones to the ones that were agreeing! This is heavy data manipulation and not acceptable!

Please reconsider your update and fix it the way the the surveyed people were telling you: buff undesirable equipment. You focussed way too less on that.

22-Jan-2021 09:37:43

Cute n o o b
Mar Member 2024

Cute n o o b

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I support this rebalancing all of my heart.
Now it is like
Fast slayer task: Toxic blowpipe
Gods War Dungeon: Toxic blowpipe
Lizard shaman: Toxic blowpipe
CoX: Toxic blowpipe
ToB: Toxic blowpipe
Fight & Inferno cave: Toxic blowpipe
any bosses weak to ranged: Toxic blowpipe
other: Toxic blowpipe

Thank you very much for removing blowpipeScape .

22-Jan-2021 09:45:19

R uiN
Dec Member 2016

R uiN

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You've allowed people to use this content (blowpipe) for so long the way it is to help reach their end game goals and complete inferno etc. Now you want everyone else to miss out and make it that much harder for them... whats the point?

22-Jan-2021 09:46:46

Trickled
Mar Member 2024

Trickled

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Don't shoot yourself in the foot AGAIN Jagex, how have you not learnt your lesson from EOC all those years ago?

This will drive A LOT of players (Subsriptions as you like to think of them) away.

Blowpipe is OP yes but attempting to fix it in this manner 6 years down the line is just unfair and seems to disregard a lot of med to high level players who don't have access to the most expensive gear.

People like OSRS because it has the feel that you listen to the community, this goes fully against that and feels like your only listening to certain groups within the player base.

If this is added as is, you will lose a lot of players very quickly I have no doubt about that...

22-Jan-2021 09:52:10

Zanon23
Jul Member 2019

Zanon23

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I could almost cry after reading this newsletter today. It just seems like we are going back to when it all went terribly wrong for me(and many thousand others)as RS Player. That update that destroyed my beloved game.

Please dont start nerfing weapons and armour nows,if anything dont release anymore Raids. Its raids that have brought in these ridiculas priced items in the first place. Now you want to bring more into the game?? And put OSRS on a very slippery road in which we all know how that turned out.

Please dont change current items, just DONT release anymore Raids. I always stand by Jagex with their Polls,even if i dont agree with some of them. But i feel this is too far for our beloved game.

22-Jan-2021 10:00:54

Grobar20

Grobar20

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Jagex and their logic in history:
-----Lets ruin the perfect game----

Each time they try to introduce idiotic updates.


They killed the game with Eoc in past..now they going to ruin cuple things in OSRS, kinda big update that wuld be..like who complain? No logic here.

Yes buff the reqs for using the bis weapons, smart, that shuld be done in the first time. But jezus dont ruin their stats.
Game balance itself over the years. Alot ppl using diff weapons against bosses or metas...some bis, some med weps some lower ones, it was always like this.

Why nerf bow +4 prayer down? who complain over this? keep it as it is. Afterall it is a bis wep from cox.

Nerf the bulwark? That thing is now already on like 5 mill cost, nerf it more and it will be 1 mill and soon dead content shield..the only use is for Pvp tank more or less..with future zeah mage spell book the mage will be op in pvp even more...and now you wana nerf bulwark? logic?

Maybe the only problem is blowpipe, since it is a strong wep and easy to gain, very easy to gain with a low reqs to use.

22-Jan-2021 10:01:13 - Last edited on 22-Jan-2021 10:13:41 by Grobar20

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