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TOENSIL50000

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Mattrellen said :
TOENSIL50000 said :
You guys have to vote yes for the spear question. THIS IS BUG ABUSE.

Please fully understand the question, basically, if you are in wild and using your "protect one item" prayer, it does not matter. A clan of 10-15 people will come, and they will spear you for 15 minutes straight until your prayer naturally drains to zero, and they will stat-spy you with lunars to ensure you are at zero prayer, and then kill you.

Even when you are zero hp, you will CONTINUE to be speared for another 5-10 minutes, until ALL of the spears queue have stopped.

THIS IS BUG ABUSE, YOU MUST VOTE YES FOR IT TO BE FIXED.
the actual special itself remains the same, its just so clans cannot abuse it.

I actually don't think this should be polled. I can't understand why it is, because I would tend to agree with you, being unable to act is clearly a bug. I can't begin to imagine the intention of the spear was to allow people to queue up the spec and freeze someone.

Bugs should be fixed without polls. Polls take too long, inform everyone of the bug in question, and legitimize it's use.

Bugs should be fixed instantly and abusers punished. Any thinking person can see the spec was not meant to work this way, so there is little in the way of defense.

I agree. This is clearly a bug since it was patched pre-eoc, but apparently they don't consider it so. LMAO. Yea, rendering someone completely defenseless is apparently there 'intended' game mechanics yet it was patched pre-eoc.

Unfortunately , people will not understand what they mean by the question unless they have experienced it themselves. or watched a youtube video on it.. and will probably vote no.

02-Aug-2014 00:33:00 - Last edited on 02-Aug-2014 00:34:09 by TOENSIL50000

Gatlingclaw

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FreeBall In said :
wow lots of great stuff, cant wait

cant wait till removal of randoms tho :/

only people randoms truly effect are bots and macro'rs!

anything u should admit?

oh and on the spear change i vote NO
are people abusing it? or making it work to thier favour? in my veiw multiple people using the spec to stun lock players is skill well used. just seems like the solo wildy players are crying because they get outplayed.
if you think its really that bad , just allow potions to be drunk etc during the shove (make it movement effect only), this allows them to keep prayer topped up enough to keep pro 1 item minimum.
its like saying give ice burst/rush a 3 seconds immunity to allow people to escape.....

02-Aug-2014 00:33:11

TOENSIL50000

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@gatlingclaw

They are not changing how the spear works. Once again you did not understand. They are trying to change how it queque on top of each other. Even if you are zero HP you continue to be speared for 5-10 minutes. Do you think I want to be speared for 10 minutes when im already dead , and they have left? NO.

A good example would be if dragon scimitar specials queque... if 15 people d Scim'd you at one time, and your prayer cannot be put back up for 10 minutes, it would not make any sense.

P.s - bursts/barrages do not queque. They freeze for the allowed time, and then you are unfrozen for about 1-2 seconds, and you are not rendered defenseless within your inventory, you can continue to eat, drink p pots, switch prays, teleport, do whatever you want.

face-it... its bug abuse on Jagex's fault that they allowed this mechanic.

02-Aug-2014 00:37:12 - Last edited on 02-Aug-2014 00:40:27 by TOENSIL50000

Gatlingclaw

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just to clarify what i mean due to other posts, im not saying leave it how it is. im saying make it movement only.
this means:
allowing food to be eaten
allowing potions to be drunk
maybe make the stun do some damage? (so you will die from the damage rather than forever stun lock) but not enough to make it a worth while pk weapon
once dead , any qued specs are nulled , so it doesnt continue

this means:
can still be used as a stun lock pk weapon by groups
those being stun locked can at least save 1 item minimum

another option is simply as it says. remove the que time but only that

02-Aug-2014 00:40:40 - Last edited on 02-Aug-2014 00:42:17 by Gatlingclaw

TOENSIL50000

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People don't even understand the question, this is what I fear...

This should be fixed without a poll (although its great you are offering one!) its clearly bug-abuse.

How come D-scims don't queque and allow players prayers to be down for the duration of the amount of people that spec'd them then?

02-Aug-2014 00:41:09 - Last edited on 02-Aug-2014 00:43:34 by TOENSIL50000

Gatlingclaw

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TOENSIL50000 said :
People don't even understand the question, this is what I fear...

TOENSIL50000 said :
How come D-scims don't queque and allow players prayers to be down for the duration of the amount of people that spec'd them then?

with that said i can see a bit better what you mean....
more to what your saying is "why should this weapon have stacked specs"
now i do agree with that, scince every other doesnt stack. and yes it shouldnt to a point.

however

the other thing you need to look at is in multi pvp, burst from multiple specs at once all hit at the same time making them pretty much dead on a second, or followed up by others if taking turns in single pvp

agree and disagree

02-Aug-2014 00:43:53 - Last edited on 02-Aug-2014 00:47:40 by Gatlingclaw

Gatlingclaw

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i think things to be a aware of are if you spec during another spec time, do you still lose the spec percentage from the bar? as that should NOT happen

also , multiple people spamming spec would all have drained / hit at once?

02-Aug-2014 00:52:02

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Mattrellen said :
User said :
Mattrellen said :

Question: Should we add Marks of Grace to all other agility courses? No, why make all the agility courses the same?

Leave them on the rooftops only so they can stand out a bit.

Why should the only agility courses worth using be the rooftop ones?

After 10 agility, Draynor is good, and at 20 Al Karid, but at 25, Skullball is a better option for exp. At 30, it's a bit more murky. Varrock probably did more for me than Skullball would have, but I'm pretty bad at Skullball.

Regardless, it only lasts until 35, where the Barbarian course becomes better. Fally becomes best at 50, but, from my previous experiences, the wilderness course is better after 52, which is where I am now.

As it stands, the vast majority of the way to at least level 60 are best done on other courses.

Ape Atoll used to give me over 45k exp per hour even at a low-ish level. I'm not sure how Seer's compares to that, not having done it. My guess is that it maxes out higher but gets lower average, since the Ape Atoll course is so short that failures aren't a big setback.

So I turn the question around. Why shouldn't rooftop courses be worth using at lower levels? Why should the fastest exp also come with added rewards? Gnome 1-10 and Wilderness49-60 are worthwhile, but otherwise it's either not worth the cost of energy potions or the XP rates aren't as good to begin with.

Rooftop courses are very easily accessible and even if the older courses dropped MOGs, they still wouldn't get much use. However, it would at least open the possibility of some players going out of their way for slightly better XP rates while still unlocking rewards and paying back for their energy potions. I'd like to see the agility rewards system become synonymous with agility also (like slayer), rather than just half of the courses.

02-Aug-2014 00:59:25

TOENSIL50000

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Gatlingclaw said :
TOENSIL50000 said :
People don't even understand the question, this is what I fear...

TOENSIL50000 said :
How come D-scims don't queque and allow players prayers to be down for the duration of the amount of people that spec'd them then?

with that said i can see a bit better what you mean....
more to what your saying is "why should this weapon have stacked specs"
now i do agree with that, scince every other doesnt stack. and yes it shouldnt to a point.

however

the other thing you need to look at is in multi pvp, burst from multiple specs at once all hit at the same time making them pretty much dead on a second, or followed up by others if taking turns in single pvp

agree and disagree

That doesn't matter because its not a bug. You the ability to put on protect mage, you have the ability to run every 20 seconds (of an ice barrage) or 15 seconds (after an ice blitz), you can eat, you can throw on different armour ect...

The spells freezing effect does NOT queque, if it did, we would have a problem.

My problem is with the stacking of the specials, THIS IS A BUG.

If 15 people spear you ONE TIME (remind you, that they can do 4).... you will be speared 15 times even if they log out.

02-Aug-2014 01:08:12

TOENSIL50000

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the problem has nothing to do with the actual dragon-spear special.
Its the fact it stacks on top of the other persons spear.

everyone SHOULD BE VOTING YES TO STOP bug-abuse even though we are told its an 'intended game mechanic' yet they patched this very thing pre-eoc. It is pathetic they are even polling this, but I guess its better then nothing.

VOTE YES TO FIX SPEAR BUG ABUSE.

02-Aug-2014 01:09:44 - Last edited on 02-Aug-2014 01:11:16 by TOENSIL50000

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