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Saxo
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Also Ash with the in game poll system can we get a marker to show what we voted for?

Sometimes when it's a question I don't care about and just vote for whatever I forget what I voted on it.

01-Aug-2014 12:00:13 - Last edited on 01-Aug-2014 12:01:54 by Saxo

Gatlingclaw

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there DOES need to be an option for those who either dont understand , or have never used/seen/tried certain content.

spirit shields are a prime example. the special effects from spirit shields for me was a lot of research and testing to fully understand. AND that was only possible when i had hit high enough lvl to make enough gold to buy one.

Im pretty sure a large majority of players who don't play for long periods of time a day may never have owned a spirit shield.

The reason im pointing this out is for example the corp vote. Players may want corporal beast to be implemented into the game as they would love to have a go as maybe they didnt in rs3 or didnt get to before rs3.
hence the option they would select for "corp beast" update would be yes.

however then when it comes to spirit shields poll to go with corp beast, they don't truly understand the effects of the spirit shields so will choose a random answer in hopes its a good one.
this will cause an unbalanced vote and even possibly the poll to fail.

Surely it wouldnt be hard to put and extra option at the bottom simply saying n/a similar , allowing those players to select an option for just that question that can be instantly discounted and ignored while still voting on the select questions of thier choice?

hope this gets looks at..

01-Aug-2014 12:07:02

Mod Ash

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Kyle 2007 said :
Oh no I didn't mean based on a discussion with just me or another player, I meant a thread dedicated to it much like Reach's corp thread. That's all I was wondering about.
Phew!
I reckon it's inevitable.

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Never thought about voters only being 10%! Wonder how polls would turn out with incentives. Vote points offering a cosmetic rewards wouldn't be awful imo. Nice idea. I'd support.
Maybe even include recolours like the whip recolour that failed the poll. I think people would be more accepting to say yes to it if it was through something accessible by all (a poll system) rather than a dead minigame that you're gonna struggle to get a game going.
It'd certainly be possible. That said, if someone can't be bothered to vote, and is just ticking boxes to get a reward, I'm not sure that's a good thing.

01-Aug-2014 12:08:18 - Last edited on 01-Aug-2014 12:08:31 by Mod Ash

Gatlingclaw

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Saxo said :
Also Ash with the in game poll system can we get a marker to show what we voted for?

Sometimes when it's a question I don't care about and just vote for whatever I forget what I voted on it.

just the bit above me shows exactly what i mean.

people dont wish to vote on certain bits , just give an option for an ignored vote so this doesnt impact the rest of the poll

01-Aug-2014 12:08:28

Saxo
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Mod Ash said :

It'd certainly be possible. That said, if someone can't be bothered to vote, and is just ticking boxes to get a reward, I'm not sure that's a good thing.
Good point I guess.. Not sure if I agree or disagree with you though.

I agree it's not good if people just vote for whatever without really reading the questions just to get some rewards, but then on the other hand it would get more people to vote who will actually read the questions and think about it before voting and it's no different to people who just vote for whatever on some questions because they have to as it is.

01-Aug-2014 12:16:07 - Last edited on 01-Aug-2014 12:17:03 by Saxo

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Saxo said :
I agree it's not good if people just vote for whatever without really reading the questions just to get some rewards, but then on the other hand it would get more people to vote who will actually read the questions and think about it before voting and it's no different to people who just vote for whatever on some questions because they have to as it is.
Getting the polls into the game will hopefully encourage people to use them. If more turns out to be required, we can offer it in a poll and launch it then, but I'm not inclined to hold up the in-game poll project while we design a new reward system to be launched alongside it.

There's an ongoing debate about whether polls should be more restricted than they currently are, or less restricted, or restricted differently, etc. I think poll incentives will run into a lot of opposition from the - fairly numerous - players who argue in favour of more restrictions.

01-Aug-2014 12:23:57 - Last edited on 01-Aug-2014 12:24:19 by Mod Ash

Saxo
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Mod Ash said :

Getting the polls into the game will hopefully encourage people to use them. If more turns out to be required, we can offer it in a poll and launch it then, but I'm not inclined to hold up the in-game poll project while we design a new reward system to be launched alongside it.

There's an ongoing debate about whether polls should be more restricted than they currently are, or less restricted, or restricted differently, etc. I think poll incentives will run into a lot of opposition from the - fairly numerous - players who argue in favour of more restrictions.
Yeah, if RS3 polls are anything to go by we should be getting around ~50k people voting on polls..Which I still think is kind of low considering there's 170k+ active players. Though RS3 polls are a complete different ballgame so it's hard to really compare fairly. If a reward shop would delay it by a long time then I guess launching it then seeing how many people vote then, and then think about the reward shop would be better. I just figured it wouldn't take very long at all to come up with some dumb cosmetics and a few recolours.

On the restrictions part.. I'd like to see time played recently, things like increasing the total level is dumb because it won't be increased by a huge amount and if people were to sabotage out polls they would just train for an hour or two to meet the new req and then never log in again except to vote. Even though time played recently is just as abusable, it would at least make our game look active and if people want to help our game by playing for an hour or two each week just to sabotage our polls I say go for it.

No matter what restrictions get added, if people want to ruin our polls then they will meet the new reqs, so IMO we should use that to our advantage and make our game look more active in general rather than more active for the first week of the new req.

01-Aug-2014 12:39:22 - Last edited on 01-Aug-2014 12:45:29 by Saxo

Saxo
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Something else I just thought of too: What about adding the poll system to tutorial island? Just a small conversation telling you about it and where to find it, what it looks like etc. There's already a bank there for it to go and it would let people just starting the game know about our poll system from the get go.

Only thing is that wouldn't really make much sense since there's a total level req for polls but yeah.. Just tossing an idea out there.

01-Aug-2014 12:56:23 - Last edited on 01-Aug-2014 12:59:55 by Saxo

Mod Ash

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As long as people are able to vote through the website, we can only use requirements that the website understands. That's skill total and membership. Hence the current requirement for members with 280 skill total.

If we stopped letting people vote through the website, we'd be able to use the game's superior access to your data to write different requirements like Saxo's describing.

However, looking at the current results of the survey, a lot of people would prefer us to keep the website voting form available. Their opinions may change in future, but for now we should assume that the voting requirement is still going to be a skill total threshold.

01-Aug-2014 13:12:30

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