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Phantoms

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Btw Tyria if youre looking for balance between the 3 styles then you should look at EOC.

Because you believe a melee bias is acceptable in OSRS?

Nty.

Me and Tyria have had our differences in the past but that was one of the more ridiculous thing's ive heard said ofit, we came to osrs because we loved this combat system, (and also) or in some cases because we hated eoc, we have the chance to shape it into something new, not repeat the same exact things over and over, the combat triangle was supposed to be balanced, each side having an advantage (not a guaranteed win) over the other, it is a fact, that in the past, both in amount of weapons, amount of prayers, amount of specials to choose from, and potions, and armour that runescape favors melee to some extent, there is no reason to repeat that, we aren't asking for mage or range to suddenly become king overnight, simple to be given the same amount of attention. (try range tanking shortly pre-eoc) you will see what i mean by one side of the combat triangle becoming less favored then others, there is literally a post, where a mod said "we are aware we have been neglecting range, however at this time we choose not to upgrade it, as we shall address this issue with our upcoming release of Eoc. . . ." Thats what where trying to avoid, devolving to the point where one side of the triangle just gets crapped on by both sides with simplistic ease 80% of the time, and the only wins are a result of luck, skill, or the other player not having one of several weapons released giving them a overwhelming advantage in a fight.
LOL i was kidding. btw tyria read the first post plz.

31-Aug-2013 06:44:10

Angel2D4

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I read it ofit. What you're saying is that YOUR perception is that everything is all balanced perfectly fine.. and that balance is a matter of perception.

I wonder though... if it's all a matter of perception rather than FACT, could you tell me please.. what mage weapon has a spec? "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -Martin Luther King Jr.

31-Aug-2013 06:51:10

RangeSlaer

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Also please consider adding a special attack to the armadyl crossbow, otherwise its just another karils crossbow but with slower attack speed.
I'd be up for that. Does anyone have anything in particular in mind for it?

A suggestion I have seen before was 'Guaranteed enchanted bolt spec'. This would add an alternative range KO weapon to the dark bow as you could use the special with dragon bolts (e) equipped. Also it would NOT increase the max hit of range.
Other then this tiny little thing called an antifire potion, and this other tiny little thing called an anti-dragon shield, and this other teensyweensie little thing called a dragonfire shield, which all negate dragon bolts (e), and the fact that defense has an effect on dragon bolts (e), and the fact that this would be very highly in pvm vs bosses while using a ruby bolt (e) spec, as you could guarentee to hit them like a truck, so haveing to rangers in max range bonus gear would make your kills go way fast by spamming this spec and getting first hits in using this, also with Onyx bolts (e) in duel arena, guarenteed hp restore. . .
Damage increase would be far more intelligent, and not guaranteed, as it could still miss. having a bolt special guaranteed is to abusable. Namely with Pvm, Ruby bolt (e) specs guarenteed would make bosses to easy. . . . haveing 2-3 rangers on a 6 man boss team in max range bonus gear using this spec at the beginning of each fight would have the boss at half hp in the first 2 seconds . . .

31-Aug-2013 06:53:23

Hi_Im_Mobbin

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Go back to EOC if u think the combat system is not even

Magic has 3 spell books, can teleport, teleblock. veng. ect. Freeze a melee. If u want the same dps for each combat skill melee, range, mage then go EOC where the dps is about the same. In oldschool each type of combat has its advantage if u know how to use it.

EOC was invented coz kids complaining each year about the combat triangle. Its as good as it needs to be. Melee isnt OP wit gwd. Ppl need to learn to use the triangle as one to master the combat system. If u want to prod one specific type of combat go to EOC.

that is all.

31-Aug-2013 07:22:21

syua

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Don't usually post, but I'll just comment on a few thoughts about some particular GWD polling questions.

If the GWD is released, the four bosses and their bodyguards will broadcast messages to all players in their rooms to state what items have been dropped, and to whom.

If this does not pass I'd be a little surprised. Works better for those bossing with people whom they may not be too well acquainted with and also saves having to type out drops as they come.

If the GWD is released, a new degradeable item called Amulet of the Damned would be dropped by K'ril Tsutsaroth. If worn alongside a full Barrows set, the amulet would absorb a fraction of combat damage from any hitsplat over 15 hitpoints. See the dev blog for full details.

I'm sort of skeptical how this will turn out. Upon reading everything about it, including the recharging cost and pristine versions I'm thinking it may be an alright addition. If it has some fairly good use though (let's just say for example in a PvP situation) then I could see the price of this being disproportionate due to it's insured removal from the game. How would this work in regards to PvP drops, too?

If the GWD is released, a magic weapon similar to the Staff of Light would be dropped by K'ril Tsutsaroth. See the dev blog for full details.

I am not familair with this, so this is purely from the blog details. I like the idea of a high level staff. The special attack seems out of place and as others have suggested it may have effects on particular aspects of the game. The rune saving cost combined with the high mage attack is already quite a benefit over others, such as a Master Wand. One question I do have regarding this, is the staff two-handed or one-handed? I am presuming two-handed based on the defence stats. In that case then this staff probably wouldn't be used for the mage attack bonus but rather the special bonuses from it.

31-Aug-2013 07:30:37

syua

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My main gripe lies with the special attack of this staff. A staff with a special attack does seem pretty interesting though. I considered proposing this to have the ability to cast god spells. I think people may be wary of the Void Mace losing it's current use. However, if this is two-handed, then I think it still may be a possible option.

If the GWD is released, an Armadyl crossbow would be dropped by Commander Zilyana. See the dev blog for full details.

As someone who really enjoys ranging, this looks like a pretty cool addition. Stats-wise I think it's alright. An extra +9 ranged attack and +1 prayer bonus over the rune crossbow is enough to make it worthwhile; extra range is also excellent. I foresee the crystal bow maybe losing a bit of it's sticking power, even if it is a nice cheap option which fires slightly faster. Putting that aside for now and looking at a possible proposed special attack. I'd love to see a special attack on a crossbow. The suggestion about having a 100% bolt spec is an interesting one, it may be slightly too good in various cases, though. 100% dragon bolt or onyx bolt (even diamond/ruby) could make a substantial difference in many places (pking, against Jad) and I'm leaning away from something like this.

Increased accuracy, strength are both possible options, but pretty cliched too. You could try some odder ideas (note: I may think some of these are terrible even if they're my own) such as:
- 100%. Upon use of the special every hit after this has 'i' damage added to it, where 'i' is the shot occuring after you have used the special. This would occur until an extra (unsure) 5-10 damage has been done on the enemy. e.g. 1 - 3 - 4 - 0 - 7 would hit 2 - 5 - 7 - 4 - 12 if the special was used.
- 100%. Reduces tick speed of the next 5-10 shots.

31-Aug-2013 07:31:01 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2013 07:47:30 by syua

syua

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Question: If the GWD is released, when the four bosses drop stacks of herbs, they should do so in banknote form.

This is a nice change that would be good to see and may help to ever so slightly alleviate the current skyrocket of high-level potion prices.

Note: can the blog be updated so this question - Question: If the GWD is released, when the four bosses drop stacks of herbs, they should do so in banknote form. - is more clear. Thanks

31-Aug-2013 07:31:18

Xl X

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How can they say that EVERYTHING must have 75% votes to be implemented, yet they're completely changing the adamant bar drop from aviansies without any vote?

31-Aug-2013 07:41:09

RangeSlaer

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Go back to EOC if u think the combat system is not even

Magic has 3 spell books, can teleport, teleblock. veng. ect. Freeze a melee. If u want the same dps for each combat skill melee, range, mage then go EOC where the dps is about the same. In oldschool each type of combat has its advantage if u know how to use it.

EOC was invented coz kids complaining each year about the combat triangle. Its as good as it needs to be. Melee isnt OP wit gwd. Ppl need to learn to use the triangle as one to master the combat system. If u want to prod one specific type of combat go to EOC.

that is all.

Agree 100% and in a way slightly disagree(some Pre-Eoc things where taken way to far, Storm of Armadyl for example, easily used for basically afking mithral dragons, bandos, and rush pking). . . definetly understand what you mean by learning how to master a part of the triangle, but it can be taken to far, to be honest the main thing i dont like is the "Amulet of the Damned" any who thinks Bandos>Barrows for specialty use even in original gwd is insane. . . Adding a 20% damage reduction to Dharok pker's would be, Bandos bossers, Jad killers, Kq killers. but 95% of it would be Dharok pking. From the day barrow's was released to the day Eoc was released Dharok pkers could be found in the wild getting consitent ko's. . . devalued. . . .

31-Aug-2013 07:54:27 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2013 08:01:46 by RangeSlaer

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How can they say that EVERYTHING must have 75% votes to be implemented, yet they're completely changing the adamant bar drop from aviansies without any vote?

It will need 75%. It will only happen if GWD passes the poll, which requires 75% majority.

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So,

Just read through all 22 pages and it seems the majority of people who post on the forums are massively opposed to "nerfing" addy bars without a poll.

Not on the forums, only in this thread. This is because people tend to post more when they have something to complain about. If they are OK with it, why would they post?

31-Aug-2013 08:00:24

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