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Necromanzer
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The staff would be much better if you make the passive 1/10 instead of 1/15.

Also, for f2p ironmen, noted coal and the rune scimitar arent dropped by any monster in-game. Rune scimitar should be like 1/24 drop or something, and common drop with like 200 coal would make the boss kinda OP, but thats not a problem since you need the keys.

26-Apr-2018 12:34:03

Darkfirewill

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Marthella did some math on the cost effectiveness of the staff. He only accounted for one version of one spell. If we take into account the price as originally calculated BUT allow for a market substitution of LAVA runes which run 2gp cheaper on average and perhaps less if you can wait, that changes our calculated spell cost to

(13.929*202+5*3)/15=202.5772

While that still leaves us north of the original value, buying lavas at 2gp would fix that. Here's the real kicker though, a few very key lunar and Arceuus spell use nature runes with the same regularity of casting and in larger numbers.

Most notably the reanimate spells which have no staff component and all require at least one but usually two nature runes. For lunars we have the profitable crafting staples spin flax and tan hide (two and one) respectively though they do require elementals.

At that rate if you were going to reanimate 1000 bloodvelds:
1000(2*202) - 1000(2*202*13.929/15) = 28845.6gp saved or approx 29gp per cast

As for spinning your flax, the base cost shifts similarly but the the added cost of 5 air or rather dust runes.
1000(2*202) - 1000(2*202*13.929/15 + 5*3) = 13845.6 saved or approx 14gp per cast

Crafting strings at five per cast that improves your margin per flax by nearly 3gp ultimately negating the cost of the flax. Sadly with tan leather we run into the previous alch cost limit. Fertile soil and plank make fair even worse with a higher elemental to nature ratio.

With that, while not exactly a gods' send for those who like to snip the edges of their operationg cost (Basically everyone) and happen to be interested and have access to these spells it does offer a reasonable price shift. Be well.

26-Apr-2018 18:11:18

Mod Kira

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Hey Darkfirewill,

Really interesting read, especially with all the calculations in there!

Thanks for putting the effort in to come up with this, looking forwards to seeing what else players get up to once the update is live!

~Kira

27-Apr-2018 10:13:54

Darkfirewill

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You think that's interesting? With the exception of iron men what this will mean is that the staff will likely be near worthless. If this situation going to be the signature drop of Bryophyta and she has a drop table resembling Obor's in terms of relative drop rarity, no one will want the thing.

Obor's club runs 800k plus. As a F2P weapon it's fairly beefy. The staff on the other hand is going to be locked into it's runes making it slower to trade and it has a maximum spell savings of about 57gp with reanimate dragon. It's going to takes 15k casts before you get near the market cost. Piecing it out here and there might be possible, but it's going to be awkward. This isn't going to appeal to hardly anyone. It's perfectly viable, but the market is restrictive and high end. It's a great idea, but...if this is the signature drop, the rest of the table will have to make up the slack. Be well.

29-Apr-2018 09:47:55

Darkfirewill

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Specifics continuation
Working Title : And another thing!

So lets say someone actually buys this thing. What does that mean? Lets assume someone hos the cash an inclination AND the levels to train prayer with dragon heads. Fairly common. Now assume they bough the staff. How long will one set of 1k nats last? Through a bunch of convoluted math which I cant remember how to represent better I arrived at an average of 270 casts which is reached by the staff extending the rune supply to approximately 1078 runes. Rough math. Correct me if you know how.

So, what does that mean? Well to start with he'll have to fill the staff every 10-12 runs. No big deal there. How much XP is that per set? Prayer only that results in 421200xp (421k). We're only worried about prayer gains here. From lvl 70 to 99 xp is 12296804xp (12.3 mil).
29.2 refills of the staff will get you from 70 to 99.
270*29.2 = 7884. Half. If you use this to its maximum potential you will still be only half way to paying for it in savings if the price range is approximately 850K.

This item regardless of rarity will have a maximum cost effective value of approximately 425k. It may find an odd niche in PVP that I have NO way of expecting, but ultimately is looks like something people will borrow from the market while they train and then send along to the next schmuck. Be well.

01-May-2018 02:32:53

Izby
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Greetins dear Jagex team, I would like to know how rare is Bryophyta's essence. It's a F2P boss I got it, no good loots, it's okay with me but I have 205 kc on boss. you don't even know how long 205 keys took me. Yet no essence. Considering a key takes usually around 25 min this Bryophyta's staff looks way too rare for such a low level boss.

Could you mind look into the boss drop table and make some adjustments ? It 's ridiculous how I make money from random seeds with moss giants and most of the time not even a 5k loot from the boss. This makes no sense.


thanks you :)

31-May-2018 14:52:24

DeBOMBs11
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I think again as my post said... minions shouldnt spawn like 4 times in a row... if u going to do something like that give us a weapon or something... if not then mabe more law, cosmic, and nature runes just saying lol DeBOMBs11

17-Dec-2022 17:17:04

DeBOMBs11
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another thing to make it easier for the players? either a bank chest or b if u already have high agility enough to use the pipe and even if u are f2p. u should still be able to use it. like the bank is so far away lmao DeBOMBs11

17-Dec-2022 17:18:55

DeBOMBs11
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Mod Kira if u cant even do those suggestions at least make kebab shop much easier to do like able to open shop and buy 28 kebabs instead of one at a time? who thought this be a good idea? mabe people use kebabs more often if u acuallty give this option lol DeBOMBs11

17-Dec-2022 17:20:19

DeBOMBs11
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oh and another thing? if u want to make both moss giant and hill giants boss more appealing? mabe make them drop pet versions of them. that would increase us more of our mood to do it. but thats just me Mod Kira DeBOMBs11

17-Dec-2022 17:21:47

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