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NZ Sheeps said :
A lot of people (and I would love to see it polled to see if it's more than 75%) think that gold transferring between the two games is cheating. Coming up with a way of legitimising that cheating is not considered a solution by many (banning gold swapping is).

And? How exactly does it affect you what other people do with their gold?

NZ Sheeps said :
Not true. While we may like to think that, it is ultimately Jagex' decision and all they would need to do is say "It's vital for the continuation of the game" and introduce it regardless of the opposition (look at the introduction of buyable spins, non-cosmetics in Solomons shop and the introduction of bonds where they have done this previously). I would even go so far as to say that even our OSRS Mods could be overruled in this respect.

Same logic can be said for this. If they want bonds they will be introduced regardless "regardless of the opposition." This is baseless assumption and isn't going to happen given the fragility of the playerbase and it's resistance to updates.

OSRS is much more important for the long-term survival of EoC-scape than you may understand - plus, people that are likely to buy spins wouldn't exist in masse in the OSRS-scape anyways. They wouldn't do something as risky as put something in game that wouldn't pass a 75% poll and enraging their playerbase.

Either way, your point is completely moot, in this scenario money isn't generated out of nothing like in Squeal.

NZ Sheeps said :
No it doesn't. Player A buys a bond with real-life money and sells it to Player B for gold. The GP has merely transferred from player to player. What HAS happened is that Player A has effectively bought gold for real money.

And? Money still isn't generated out of nowhere and someone will always have had to work for it in game. This isn't even close to something like Sque

07-Aug-2014 06:52:10 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2014 06:56:01 by IlIlIllIlIlI

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IlIlIllIlIlI said :

And? How exactly does it affect you what other people do with their gold?

It's just botting, how exactly does it affect you what other people do with their game clients?

(Hint: Both are unfair advantages)

IlIlIllIlIlI said :

Same logic can be said for this. If they want bonds they will be introduced regardless "regardless of the opposition." This is baseless assumption and isn't going to happen given the fragility of the playerbase and it's resistance to updates.

OSRS is much more important for the long-term survival of EoC-scape than you may understand - plus, people that are likely to buy spins wouldn't exist in masse in the OSRS-scape anyways. They wouldn't do something as risky as put something in game that wouldn't pass a 75% poll and enraging their playerbase.

Either way, your point is completely moot, in this scenario money isn't generated out of nothing like in Squeal.
Except for the fact that Jagex has neglected the community and their desires multiple times in this history of this game, so it's far from baseless.

Further more, the issue with bonds/GPXfer isn't that the gold is created out of nothing, it's the unfair advantage aspect.

IlIlIllIlIlI said :
And? Money still isn't generated out of nowhere and someone will always have had to work for it in game. This isn't even close to something like Sque

See previous post. It's not about generation, it's about the unfair advantage.

Since the community outrage on this trash idea seems to have prevented it for now, hopefully it can just die off and stay in buyscape RS3 where it belongs.

07-Aug-2014 07:17:20

NZ Sheeps
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Mostly what ^ said.


IlIlIllIlIlI said :
NZ Sheeps said :
No it doesn't. Player A buys a bond with real-life money and sells it to Player B for gold. The GP has merely transferred from player to player. What HAS happened is that Player A has effectively bought gold for real money.

And? Money still isn't generated out of nowhere and someone will always have had to work for it in game. This isn't even close to something like Sque

I agree that money isn't generated out of nowhere in the game, but that response was to a claim that bonds would be a money sink ( removing gold from that game), which they clearly don't.

You could also argue that in the above scenario, for Player A the money has come out of nowhere: He didn't earn it through skilling, killing or even merching. All he did was whip out a credit card and effectively buy Player B's gold for real-life money.

I can understand that people want to buy membership with RS gold, but the only way I could see the OSRS community accepting this would be if the bonds are sold through some trade interface with RS3:

- Player A buys a bond on RS3 and sells it on the GE

- Player B buys it from an NPC in OSRS for OSRS gold (at a predetermined exchange rate)

- Player A gets the gold at RS3 rates.

Player A gets his gold, Player B gets his membership, Jagex gets their money, the OS economy is safe. The only one to lose out is the RS3 economy and it's already shot to hell.

07-Aug-2014 07:42:15 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2014 07:43:20 by NZ Sheeps

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Other than the logistics of having one game talk to the other. I think it would be an interesting idea to create an NPC in oldschool that would be able to sell u the benefits of a bond for a certain amount of gp in old school. This can potentially be done by taking the bonds that are currently on the grand exchange and removing them when someone one when someone on oldschool buys the membership. Jagex would just need to keep a tab of how many bonds are available at any given time and should there be no bonds available on the grand exchange at that given moment the NPC can just say they ran out of stock or something try back later. This way Jagex still gets the money from the bond, the player on RS3 still gets his or her gp and the player in old school would get their membership without devaluing anything they worked for. The only issue I can see is that there needs to be a way to create a sink in RS3 to compensate which is no small matter. I am still thinking of a good way to increase of gold into rs3. Ill post again when i think of something or perhaps maybe someone else might have an idea that I am overlooking.

07-Aug-2014 23:29:53

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NZ Sheeps said :


b0gs said :
2. every update in OSRS is polled so there wont be any squeel or solomons if the community dont want it.

Not true. While we may like to think that, it is ultimately Jagex' decision and all they would need to do is say "It's vital for the continuation of the game" and introduce it regardless of the opposition (look at the introduction of buyable spins, non-cosmetics in Solomons shop and the introduction of bonds where they have done this previously). I would even go so far as to say that even our OSRS Mods could be overruled in this respect.


There is a huge difference between RS3 and OSRS. RS3 updates are loosely (if atall) based on player feedback and implemented regardless after that. OSRS updates are heavily influenced by player feedback and suggestion then even after that its 100% up to the players whether its implemented or not via the polls (which RS3 doesnt have). I trust the OSRS team not to stray from this, for what ever reason (not to take anything away from OSRS but i feel its more of a side project for fun, not needing monetisation besides the membership already being paid). for this reason i am 100% confident that bonds would stay for membership only for aslong as the players want it that way.

on the note of money swapping, thats a fair point and jagex should look into it. (i personally feel osrs and rs3 are 2 halfs of the same game and if you have succeded in one then you should be able to transfer some of that "success" to the other)
the money sink thing i forget where I got that from lol

On another note, maybe they could look into a legit way of trade from 07 to RS3 so you can buy bonds on RS3? people on RS3 dont seem to care about transfering gold and seems like a solution that would make both parties happy. saying that they have said there are logistic issues and i cant see a way around this unfortunatly :/

08-Aug-2014 02:36:33

NZ Sheeps
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Personally I believe that the OSRS team would fight to keep bonds out of the game if the community didn't want them, but at the end of the day they are not at the top of the Jagex chain of command.

If someone higher up decided they wanted to monetise OSRS then there would be little that 'our' J-Mods could do about it.

08-Aug-2014 07:54:38

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