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Andrew Vin
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That negotiating, to me, is a bad thing. If someone tries to haggle with me, they're on my ignore list and I teleport, no second chances. My listed price on **b is not a suggested price.

That sounds a little extreme. Just because someone is tight on cash or not trying to waste their money doesn't mean they deserve an ignore list, can really blame someone for trying to get a good deal. But then again I don't know what your asking prices are so not really my place to judge.

I don't try to overcharge, but when someone pm's me, I world hop, and I go to their location, and then they inform me that they can "easily get a better price frm sum1 else" I'm done with them.

This has happened to me a good number of times.

01-Jun-2014 05:31:10

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JUST RELEASE THE POLL. CLEARLY IT'S GOING TO PASS. THE GE WILL NOT RUIN THE GAME ANYMORE THEN THE MERCHERS & BOTS DO ALREADY. JAGEX CAN'T YOU SEE THAT?!?!
THE PLAYERS WHO VOTE 'NO' ARE TO INTO THE SCAMMING/LURING/MASS MERCHING. THEY'LL LOSE BILLIONS. & THEY DESERVE TO.

Adding anything like the grand exchange will increase bots by 10 fold. Bots run on scripts that tell it where to click, what items to keep, what to drop, and when they had the GE, they would auto sell things as well; some would even log you out for periods of time and complete all of your random events. One thing scripts can't do is trade with players, they cant determine value of trades and time when to click accept because it varies with every trade. Not having a GE like trading post is saving us from a lot of bot trouble. I think most people will agree with me when I say botting is pretty mild on OSRS.

And as for the people mass merching, it's simply a way to make money. They aren't conning anyone, it's just like the stock market, you buy when prices are low and sell when they are high. Merching shouldn't be a reason to implement a trading system, and if those are peoples major concerns, they should move on to RS3. That is why Runescape has a constantly updating RS. Old School was introduced for a reason, and adding any sort of trading system just simply defeats it's purpose.

no, the bots wouldn't trade with players, they would trade with sweat shop workers that would do the trades. the ge didn't do anything but save the bot owners a couple bucks a month.

the reason that old school was introduced was because so many people left over buyscape and eoc. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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01-Jun-2014 05:55:48 - Last edited on 01-Jun-2014 05:56:42 by dunforgiven

Nezzaris
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That's exactly what I said, they wouldn't trade with players. A lot of them did sell on GE if that's what you meant. But primarily it's only fletching bots that sell to the General Store if that's what you meant by sweatshop worker.

01-Jun-2014 05:57:55

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That's exactly what I said, they wouldn't trade with players. A lot of them did sell on GE if that's what you meant. But primarily it's only fletching bots that sell to the General Store if that's what you meant by sweatshop worker.

how do you think they had the money to sell for cash? they had a system where a real person would trade with those and then sell the entirety to real players. the ge only cost a few sweat shop workers their job, nothing else. it didn't speed it up or anything.

sweatshop workers were people in china and korea (the two primary locations for bottter) that worked for only pennies an hour, for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. there was a show several years ago where Chinese bot shops tried to make it seem like they were doing the world a huge favor. they showed how a single person working on a computer for hours that ran several ''vertual'' computers could keep multiple bots running. When they had enough resources, they would trade with one account that didn't bot. this account was their trader account and it interacted with the real players.

oh and no, they weren't the ones selling to the general store. it was low level accounts trying to get their fletching up, who needed money, any amount of money, from their work. they might only get 10 gp each for an unfinish bow, but you when you have to do 10000 of them to get the ability to do better bows, that's 100k gps. for a newb account that's a lot of money, esp years ago. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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01-Jun-2014 06:04:06 - Last edited on 01-Jun-2014 06:07:38 by dunforgiven

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Botting is simply programming and scripts, not other people working your account for you... Anyone can run multiple bots at once on their own. I guess I'm not really sure where you are coming from with someone else paying sweatshop workers to do it for them, but that's not how it is done.

01-Jun-2014 06:11:23 - Last edited on 01-Jun-2014 06:14:07 by Nezzaris

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Botting is simply programming and scripts, not other people working your account for you... Anyone can run multiple bots at once on their own. I guess I'm not really sure where you are coming from with someone else paying sweatshop workers to do it for them, but that's not how it is done.

obviously you didn't pay attention to what was going on in the bad old days.

bots were run by CRIMINALS using sweatshop workers to make millions of dollars a year. that is why they had to remove the wild and free trade. they were using STOLEN CREDIT CARDS.

it is possible that they don't do it now days but back in 07, this IS how it was done. yes a few kids bought scripts and such, but the majority were run by CRIMINALS using cards bought from middle men called JOBBERS. these jobbers would buy cards from thieves for pennies per card. then the jobbers would find out how much the credit line was and sell so much credit off those cards to different people.

you should really learn the history of the botting wars. let me give you a fast recap.

in the early days, kids would buy or make scripts to run bots just to get exps and money while they weren't playing. then they found out that some people would pay them real life money for x amount of gps.

then the criminals found out about it and they started doing it.

when jagex started banning them so fast, they started using stolen credit cards. it got so bad that many of the credit card companies were threatening to stop allowing jagex to use their cards. this would possibly have killed the game.

jagex ruin the criminals method of making money off the game by the free trade/wildy update. afterwords, over 100k bots became useless over night. in the 2 years after that, they did find ways to over come the limitation but none of them cause the problems that occurred before 07.

then jagex had a new leader and he gave the game to the botters. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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01-Jun-2014 13:22:48

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Why not just change all the quest descriptions to: "Take a trip to the GE and deliver the items to person A, person B, and person C. Quest complete."

Exactly. This seems to be the mentality of those wishing for a GE-like solution. They just can't seem to fathom how anyone could want to actually play the game as it was intended to be played.

01-Jun-2014 15:12:24

King Kai
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how the **** did Q1 go from 70-78%? i've never seen a question change so drastically (over 3% difference) after receiving over 5000 votes.. are bots involved?

(i voted yes btw, so i'm happy.. i just find it almost suspicious)

01-Jun-2014 16:47:37 - Last edited on 01-Jun-2014 16:48:00 by King Kai

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