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dunforgiven

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If you really look closely you will see the game started to decline due to free trade restrictions and the death of the wild. While the intentions were good...trying to cut back on botting and scamming...it fundamentally changed the game. The reason they could do this? The Grand Exchange. The market should be controlled by players and players alone. It works in other games but it never has and never will work in Runescape.

For those who want something like that go back to EOC and wait for legacy mode. Don't try to ruin it for the rest of us.

you need to look a LOT closer. the "decline" that happen with the removal of free trade and the removal of the wild pking, happened AT THE SAME TIME as the loss of the usefulness of bots made before that happen. it is IMPOSSIBLE to say if the "decline" happened due to bots leaving (at least 100k online at anyone time before that were bots), pkers leaving because they had to actually earn their money to pk, or merchants that couldn't scam people as easily leaving, but all of these played a part in what people call the decline of 08.

yes botters found a way around the trade restrictions but not for some time, and merchants did create merchant clans to scam people, but that also took time. Pkers that didn't care about making their own money, didn't have a problem with the newer pking system.

In fact the largest loss of players didn't occur until jagex open the doors to bots with the return of merchanting and pking. Once it became almost impossible to skill, or make money without botting, skillers and such left the game in drove. They have never returned. frankly my dear, I couldn't give a dam. never had a river to build one on.
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31-May-2014 08:26:38

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If you really look closely you will see the game started to decline due to free trade restrictions and the death of the wild. While the intentions were good...trying to cut back on botting and scamming...it fundamentally changed the game. The reason they could do this? The Grand Exchange. The market should be controlled by players and players alone. It works in other games but it never has and never will work in Runescape.

For those who want something like that go back to EOC and wait for legacy mode. Don't try to ruin it for the rest of us.

you need to look a LOT closer. the "decline" that happen with the removal of free trade and the removal of the wild pking, happened AT THE SAME TIME as the loss of the usefulness of bots made before that happen. it is IMPOSSIBLE to say if the "decline" happened due to bots leaving (at least 100k online at anyone time before that were bots), pkers leaving because they had to actually earn their money to pk, or merchants that couldn't scam people as easily leaving, but all of these played a part in what people call the decline of 08.

yes botters found a way around the trade restrictions but not for some time, and merchants did create merchant clans to scam people, but that also took time. Pkers that didn't care about making their own money, didn't have a problem with the newer pking system.

In fact the largest loss of players didn't occur until jagex open the doors to bots with the return of merchanting and pking. Once it became almost impossible to skill, or make money without botting, skillers and such left the game in drove. They have never returned.
Yeah exactly. Jagex stop finding SOLUTIONS to problems that DON'T EXIST. So today in f2p I was at draynor watching a group of people buying and trading beads and stuff for quests and things.... Won't be long till that goes and with that a lot of the old RS feel. R.I.P RS

31-May-2014 11:40:44

Shiny Llama
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Question 6: If we introduce a trading post through which you are able to buy items, should you be able to add buy offers for items and let the trading post find the best match for you?

I can not respond yes or no to this question, as I feel that an even better option here would be ability to sort searches based on the Name of the seller, the Quantity being sold, the Total Price of the buy/sell offer, the Price Per Unit, as well as searching by name, if posible.

I interpreted this question as, "Do you want the proposed [Trading Post] system to assist you in finding what you're looking for, whether it be the best deals or a specific seller." I say this because I define "best match" as what's best for me , which isn't necessarily the best price. Back in 06-08 I had a friend who would regularly get online to train Smithing via smelting in order to make a living. Whenever he would log in, I'd sell him some of my spare ores and coal for less than the going rate, and would occasionally purchase large quantities of iron and steel bars for well above market value in order to help fund his pursuits.

One of the main hiccups to this wonderful relationship of ours was the fact that he and I were on completely different sleeping schedules! Even though we live in the same country, I usually arrive home from work as he's getting ready to put the kids to bed and get some shuteye himself. As such, our trades were infrequent and often lacking on my end as I'd either sold the ores a few days prior or I was broke from buying the newest equipment! I feel that, with the 6-hour proposition on this Trading Post, relationships such as mine would flourish in ways unthinkable beforehand! If I had the knowledge that my buddy needed some ores to smelt, I'd know to hold on to them just for him instead of going to a merchant from whom my friend would most likely be buying those same ores from.

I'm voting "Yes" in the hopes that my ideas and needs would be considered. I originally had the name Llama. It was stolen from me.

31-May-2014 12:45:54

Golden Dukey

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Me personally would not mind an auction like trading post. IF THERE IS NOT A PRICE MADE FROM THE TRADING POST ( LIKE THE GUIDE PRICE FROM THE GRAND EXCHANGE), BUT THE PRICE SOLELY MADE FROM THE PLAYERS. It would be good if you just put in an item for sale at a price and you have to buy the item for the said price or more. Or a trading way that is exactly like auction , silent auction. For example you put an item for sale , put a price, then add a time limit for when the item is up for sale. Within the time limit the player who offers the most receives the item and the seller gets the gp that the highest bidding offered. You then would be able to pick up the item and gp at the end of the allotted time.

31-May-2014 14:13:08

Flyline

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This will be my last posting on the new trade solution till the poll closes.

Since a poll needs a super majority to pass and no matter
if its at 74% of voters which is a clear majority, it means
the minority of voters are the ones who will decide
the fate of all the future updates to fail.

Its just too bad but its the truth.

31-May-2014 14:50:41 - Last edited on 31-May-2014 15:03:06 by Flyline

Es vloaminge

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This will be my last posting on the new trade solution till the poll closes.

Since a poll needs a super majority to pass and no matter
if its at 74% of voters which is a clear majority, it means
the minority of voters are the ones who will decide
the fate of all the future updates to fail.

Its just too bad but its the truth.


this will always be the 'problem'. if you cap it at 50%, half of the people won't be happy, other half will be. if you put the cap on 60%, well, 59% is also seen as 'the majority'. they just need a cap, and we should stop discussing that cap. it is there, we should be happy that we can vote :)

31-May-2014 15:18:14

Keits

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Ok, so if question 4 not gonna have 75% votes, then we don't see a automated system? Don't wanna give people ideas but it's so easy to abuse it this way, you can actually post fake offers to lower the price or vice versa.

For example: barrows items, a few ppl team up, say they take item Guthan spear, the med price is 6m, they post buy/sell offers 4-5m then med price will go down, real people with item will sell it less if they see "fake" low offers, after they have bought items, they raise it using the same scheme.

Just wanted to point out this, if you gonna do a trading place, then just a scoreboard type of thing is quite pointless.

31-May-2014 15:21:19

Es vloaminge

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Ok, so if question 4 not gonna have 75% votes, then we don't see a automated system? Don't wanna give people ideas but it's so easy to abuse it this way, you can actually post fake offers to lower the price or vice versa.

For example: barrows items, a few ppl team up, say they take item Guthan spear, the med price is 6m, they post buy/sell offers 4-5m then med price will go down, real people with item will sell it less if they see "fake" low offers, after they have bought items, they raise it using the same scheme.

Just wanted to point out this, if you gonna do a trading place, then just a scoreboard type of thing is quite pointless.

automatically means: you put a buy offer, and it automatically searches a selling offer witch matches yours. it's not because it's not automatic, that you won't need the item to place an offer. i think it would be the best if you need to hand in the items always if you're selling stuff, but people need to manually go to your offer and click it to buy it.

+ i thought there woudln't be a med price?

31-May-2014 15:28:29 - Last edited on 31-May-2014 15:28:53 by Es vloaminge

Keits

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Med price is created on the offers, just a rough med, if you see offers 4-5m then med is 4.5m.
Don't think you have to hand the items over, it's just a craig*list. read the first question, "you will need to trade through the existing trading system"

31-May-2014 15:38:01

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