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PxFtmGdwR0

PxFtmGdwR0

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You should just release the G.E, the fact is this is Old School RuneScape and the G.E was released in November 2007, adding something that wasn't released before RuneScape 3 means that this is no longer Old School RuneScape as you're bringing something new to the game that's not even in RuneScape 3.

You say that you want to bring something social, the G.E was a very social aspect of RuneScape 07 as everyone would go there when training skills such as crafting, herblore, fletching, and firemaking. The only people that don't want the G.E are the merchers, there's many more "social" ways to making money than merching, scamming, and ripping people off.

There was a previous comment posted by InDaHam*Lane that I agree with 100% that also had previous comments backing it up. InDaHam*Lane mentioned something about including a mini-game in the center of the G.E and in my opinion that would be much better than having a silly fountain in the center of the G.E.

In my opinion you're wasting so much time releasing these polls, the only people that want to see the people they trade with are those that wish to try and use their scamming methods in the trade option.

1) The G.E prevented scamming
2) The G.E implemented a huge social aspect to the game
3) The G.E was released in November 2007, which means RS 07 will still remain RS 07
4) The G.E kept a decent price range between items
5) The G.E was fast, simple and effortless, it was brilliant when buying small amounts of items for quests and skilling for new players

All the time you've spent on these useless polls we could have had a G.E by now and Old School RuneScape will still be Old School RuneScape, an "Auction House" has never been implemented in RuneScape and it's not similar to the G.E at all, it seems like you're just coming up with excuses so you don't have to do more work.

My point here is stop wasting time and release the G.E, you know it's better than the AH.

27-May-2014 14:49:48 - Last edited on 27-May-2014 14:54:44 by PxFtmGdwR0

Crew69

Crew69

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One of the biggest thing players want in the community is the ability to control the prices. Unfortunately if a GE comes out that ultimately controls the prices. Now I'm not insinuating that the GE purposely controls prices in certain ways but I think the best solution is one that leaves it in the hands of the players.

27-May-2014 14:54:26

Flyline

Flyline

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No to the first question.
Yes to all of the others.
I would rather have a trading post implemented
without the first question passing.
Then later on have the osrs team change a few things
that they feel would be better for the game if needed.
I do not want them to give up on a new trading system
that is needed.
Flyline.

27-May-2014 15:03:10

wizad man

wizad man

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It's pretty split it seems between offline offers being available or not, a method to supply both options to the community and even benefit the games economy could be this:

Implement a small fee to enable your offers or goods to be sold or bought offline for a period depending on how much was paid (take into account higher fees for larger bulk). This would be beneficial as it would take cash out the game (thus benefiting the economy) and provide a solution to the proportionally split community who voted yes and no for this characteristic of the auction house to be present in the game as it still optionally provides both options. This would prevent the effortless merchanting provided by the previous grand exchange as it would reduce profits because of the tax/fee which costed the player in the first place to list the item for the extended offline period.

27-May-2014 15:06:53 - Last edited on 27-May-2014 15:24:55 by wizad man

Wee Lamm
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Wee Lamm

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I think the online/offline ability to trade could be viewed from a different perspective.

If the trading post is an ingame interface to the already existing marketplace forum, being able to find an offer would be a simple search. Also, orders posted in the MP forum would be visible from the ingame TP interface. Online status should not dictate the life of the order.

Telling whether a player is online or offline could be handled similar to the way we view players we have added to our friends list. In the Trade tab; there could be an order list, similar to our fc lists, would make this easier to manage. Once the order is complete the name would be removed from the list automatically. Manually cancelling the order would also remove them from this list.

I think also, the trade-interface should be able to span worlds, unless there is a hard-coded restriction that the players must be within visual range to initiate the dialog box. This would remove the need to hop worlds and find a common place to meet, but would still require both parties to be online to complete the trade.

IMO,the if we wish to buy more items than a current offer, we should be required to find additional offers to bid on. If we wish to buy fewer than the current offer, we should be able to buy only as many as we wish, unless the seller has set a minimum or maximum quantity for that offer.

With the above in mind, my answers to your questions would be;

1. Yes, visible to everyone.
2. Yes, perhaps a flag or color scheme to indicate online status.
3. No, they should expire every hour but can be refreshed through the interface or by bumping the forum post.
4. No, it merely needs to open the existing trade interface.
5. Yes, unless a min/max has been set for the order.
6. Yes, whether we are selling logs for gp or selling gp for logs, it's the same thing. In fact, selling logs for bow strings is still a viable trade offer.
7.If 6, then yes.

Wee-Lamm

27-May-2014 15:26:05

Mattsbud

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Ugh! The trading post seems like a huge step backward. I don't want to have to meet up with someone to trade and I don't want to have to be online at the same time. I don't even care who I'm trading with. The GE is by far the single best addition ever made to Runescape - bring it to Old School and stop trying to create a new, inferior solution!

People who want to trade face to face or using boards like zyb** can still do so, nothing forces them to use a new system but adding the GE would be the biggest improvement for players like me. I've been considering quitting RS because there's no GE in Old School - that's how frustrating person to person trading is.

Offline "fees" and other suggestions are ridiculous. For people that like trading, nothing stops them from trading face to face. For players like me that hate dealing with it, make it as smooth and invisible as possible.

27-May-2014 15:42:12 - Last edited on 27-May-2014 15:45:37 by Mattsbud

Cosmosis
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Cosmosis

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Should we introduce a trading post where you can post trade offers which will be visible to everyone? Offers will only appear when the seller is online and you will need to trade through the existing trading system.
YES, but include taxable offline trades.

If we introduce the trading post, should players’ trade offers be visible when they are offline?
Yes, but tax offline trades.

If players' trades are visible when they are offline, should they be visible for more than 6 hours?
To keep it simple, keep time limit set and set a static tax.

If we introduce the trading post should players be able trade items through it rather than having to meet up to trade through the existing trade system?
No, player interaction is paramount to keep that oldschool feel, also players need to put in effort to communicate and meet up. If the players want to force the trade to go through offline, have a bank deposit set up, so if people want to be lazy and choose not to meet a person the tax is implemented once again on both sides. (Accepting trade instantly occurs a tax on buyer and seller, toggle option by seller to have an option to buy and receive instantly).

If we introduce a trading post through which you are able to buy items, should you be able to buy only part of a sellers offer if you want? For example, if the seller is selling 1,000 of an item, you can buy only 100 if you wish.
Yes

If we introduce a trading post through which you are able to buy items, should you be able to add buy offers for items and let the trading post find the best match for you?
This actually might be unavoidable with instant trades, because the best offers might be caught up instantly by 'trading post campers' or something. However, try without, but will most likely need tweaking.

If we introduce a trading post that matches offers for you, should your buy offers be visible when you are offline?
Tax offline trades

27-May-2014 15:50:26

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