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Fox Totem

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1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. No

I would vote yes for a trading post as long as it is not an actual place. I wouldn't want an actual physical location that people have to go to. It should be an option at a few selected banks across Gielinor if possible.

Nice work so far, thank you. The point of the journey is not to arrive.

27-May-2014 04:21:48

Avid Sparx

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Personally, I think this may be the best way to go about it...

...if the initial poll passes, but the rest do not,we get a bare-bones, ***by style trade board...which may be the only thing that will satisfy enough players to pass any poll at all.

If the CONSENSUS (and not just a majority) is to add other features, the following polls will show that.

Truly this may be the way to please the most players and annoy the least.

Question: Should we introduce a trading post where you can post trade offers which will be visible to everyone? Offers will only appear when the seller is online and you will need to trade through the existing trading system.

Yes.
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-Question: If we introduce the trading post, should players’ trade offers be visible when they are offline?
-No more than 5 minutes, to allow world hopping w/o having to reset offers.

-Question: If players' trades are visible when they are offline, should they be visible for more than 6 hours?
-No.
-Question: If we introduce the trading post should players be able trade items through it rather than having to meet up to trade through the existing trade system?
-No.
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-Question: If we introduce a trading post through which you are able to buy items, should you be able to buy only part of a sellers offer if you want? For example, if the seller is selling 1,000 of an item, you can buy only 100 if you wish.
-No.

-Question: If we introduce a trading post through which you are able to buy items, should you be able to add buy offers for items and let the trading post find the best match for you?
-No.

-Question: If we introduce a trading post that matches offers for you, should your buy offers be visible when you are offline?
-No. 'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
T. Pratchett, 1948-2015 RIP, you are missed

27-May-2014 04:28:52 - Last edited on 27-May-2014 06:28:55 by Avid Sparx

Avid Sparx

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Players should have to put the items or cash aside in order to post offers to cut down on manipulation and show what people are really willing to trade.
+1

Any trade board system should be tied to a player's bank for that purpose and that purpose alone. They will still need to meet to trade, but this way they can't post items they don't have, and if they vary their price from the posted price, it can be reported. 'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
T. Pratchett, 1948-2015 RIP, you are missed

27-May-2014 04:39:06

Runtellthat4

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I just laugh at all the references to rs of 07..trade was different without GE only because we had 100k player min at any time of day..now it is between 7K AND 14 K...and all these experienced players from 07 dont notice that is nothing but a joke.

27-May-2014 04:43:37

Ubers
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So basically there isn't much point in taking the time to make this 'trading post' update because a certain site already has their price guide setup through this forum and it works exactly the same way.

edit: Jump to thread 321-322-407-65265709

27-May-2014 05:08:04 - Last edited on 27-May-2014 05:09:45 by Ubers

Alpha Trion

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Can't we just have a GE with NO guide prices?

That's the main issue for me. I dislike the GE in rs3 because of guide prices. These prices can be manipulated up or down by huge merchant clans. That dynamic is annoying and bad for the game.


If there was an option for a 'GE' with no guide prices, I'd vote yes immediately.


You don't have to call it the 'GE', I think that word itself carries negative connotations for a lot of old school players. So just call it an 'auction house'.

Which it will basically be a ge with no market or guide price.

-Alpha

27-May-2014 05:27:28

Burntmeat
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First I'd like to say great work from the Jagex team taking the time to read and realize the community is very split over this topic, and giving us a chance to elaborate deeply on what we want.

I personally agree with having to be online to have a trade in the auction house (with a ~30 minute window after logout) purely because it would mean that merchanting must be done while someone is actually PLAYING rather than being offline. I'd like to see a cap on purchases as well, in order to deter market buyouts and clans determining prices rather than the economy.

Like the G.E., if an offer was placed, for example, a buy offer on a whip for 1.4m, and there was a sell offer for 1.3m, the 100k difference should be returned to the buyer as well as the whip. This is no different than going and finding someone who is simply offering the lowest price for a certain item on Zy. I agree with Alpha Trion that the absence of a guide price may coerce people to vote for this update, because regardless prices will stabilize where supply and demand are equal, and a guide price won't be needed if cash is returned from the difference of a purchase.

A 30 minute window would control offer wipes for hopping worlds and if you had to logout shortly, but be brief enough to prevent over-night merchanting. These are my opinions, and I'd really enjoy some feedback from the community and possibly a response from the Jagex team.

Thanks again to the Jagex team and the community for pushing this game in the direction it was meant to go from the beginning.

27-May-2014 05:33:23 - Last edited on 27-May-2014 05:38:14 by Burntmeat

Zarosin
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The problem with compromising the Auction House idea is that some people wanted us to compromise it one direction, and others in another direction. As there is such a range of demands for what the community wants from a trading system we think that putting the whole process in the hands of the community is the best way forward.
I think the community being so split just says that the polls shouldn't be done this way.. People who want a trading solution but not the bare minimum (in game ***** price guide) are forced into voting yes because they do want a trade update, just not that one, they're voting yes without knowing what they're really voting on. So when you say you're letting the community decide what's best that's not true due to the way the polls are set up it's in favour of one side of the community which I don't think is really fair, you say it's putting it in the hands of the community to figure out the best way, but really you're just forcing it on us. I hope this makes sense lol

Like I said I don't think any sort of GE/AH will ever pass because the community isn't just split on that, they're split on just about everything that makes it work too. So maybe it is for the best just to get it over and done with and not waste any more time on it.

You have stated how i feel exactly. It's Oldschool RS, why'*e we bothering so much on improving it, when it's Oldschool?
BEFORE Eoc came into the live game, I was an avid player. I played 30-40 hours a week. Now with EOC i hate Rs3 and everything it has become. I
am now an oldschool player, but my time on the game has been split on half. I play 07Scape for maybe 20 hours a week. I have no problems with **be being the 'way' for trading. Any changes made to the game will result the same as when the G.E was introduced. We all know how this ends. I say NO to A.H, NO to G.E, NO to 'improving' the trading of 07!

27-May-2014 06:08:09

Zarosin
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Question: Should we introduce a trading post((* NO YOU SHOULD NOT INTRODUCE A TRADING POST ~)) where you can post trade offers which will be visible to everyone? Offers will only appear when the seller is online and you will need to trade through the existing trading system.

27-May-2014 06:16:55

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