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Legendre

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Its too bad rigour and augury aren't 1 defence. It kills build diversity.

Piety is unlocked from a quest, so I don't see why rigour and augury must be bound to 70 defence as well as they are unlocked from different sources. They are prayers unlocked from the prayer skill, not from defence. It doesn't always have to make sense "tier" wise. D'hide bodies require defence while the chaps and vambraces do not.

I can see why people would want it to require 70 defence because of piety. But its leading into "tier scape" where you see the same account builds at specific combat brackets. It would be interesting to give these prayers to high combat level pures (high cb because of higher prayer level) who are already at a disadvatage against defence builds at those combat lvls. The 70 defence requirement just seperates them even more.

1 Defence Rigour/Augury doesn't unbalance range and magic from melee PVP-wise based on the combat formula. 52 to 77 prayer is 3 combat lvls. To put this to perspective, 60 to 75 attack is 5 combat levels which is HUGE, as it unlocks AGS and TSOTD. So what you'll see is 60 attack + 99 strength + 99 range + 99 magic + 77 prayer (rigour and augory only) roughly equal to 75 attack + 99 strength + 99 range + 99 magic + 52 prayer combat level wise but the second build would have AGS and TSOTD. It is debatable on which account build is better.
===> This creates account build VARIETY.


70 Defence Rigour/Augury also doesn't unbalance range and magic from melee PVP-wise BUT DOES affect majorly different account builds. 1-70 Defence is roughly 17 combat levels. 17 combat levels is the difference of ~55 strength or attack levels. It's basically a maxed pure (99 attack + 99 strength + 77 prayer + 1 Defence) vs 60 attack + 99 strength + 77 prayer + 70 defence account. As it is now without rigour/augury, the 70 defence account has a huge advantage. 70 Defence Rigour/Augury makes this difference even larger.

16-Aug-2016 17:19:03 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2016 18:50:03 by Legendre

geggy_89

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I agree with the 70 defence req as piety requires you to have 70 defence aswell..it makes sense.If not range and mage would get an insane advantage in pvp.Its only fair that the range and mage equivalents have the same kind of requirements as the melee, in this case piety.

16-Aug-2016 17:24:59 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2016 17:25:47 by geggy_89

lndomitable

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The elder maul needs to be 80-90 att req, there's too many things at 75 attack. There's no point to get higher than 75 att for pk builds right now, change the maul att req to 80-90 area.

The wand is pretty useless now, it does have some uses but the demand for it will be even less than a staff of the dead which is pretty poor for a new boss that requires huge teams. Before the 15% mage damage without an attack requirement held it up a little but now its junk. It should keep the 15% damage boost with no att req and the mage req should be raised to 80-
90 like the maul.

Good to see rigour and augury get a defence req.

Dragon throw axes look really good.

16-Aug-2016 17:32:59

MysticNipple

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Rewards seem largely underwhelming. If you're going to make a 'raid' I would be expecting to have at least 5+ people participating in the group and therefore the split rewards for bothering to raid have to be worth it for the entire group. I would expect the rewards to be nearly double the price of the majority of decent GWD drops, and frankly looking at them I cannot see that happening. The prayer scrolls will definitely be valuable but presumably drop frequently. The elder items, in particular the mace will be worth a lot but in reality its has even more limited use than the abyssal bludgeon. The wand again is best for pvp or spamming barrage for magic levels, nobody is going to use it over trident for pve. The robes are really nice but i'm really struggling to think of anybody who would really want to buy them for a lot of money, a large price tag for some magic and prayer bonus seems lackluster for a combat class that is already far out of favor for pvm. The dragon sword is pointless, so effectively what i'm asking is why would anybody even bother to raid when you can do corp with the same people for a potential 750m drop with essentially no risk?

A raid should be a raid, not a watered down GWD.

16-Aug-2016 17:36:18

Grozen55

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MysticNipple said :
Rewards seem largely underwhelming. If you're going to make a 'raid' I would be expecting to have at least 5+ people participating in the group and therefore the split rewards for bothering to raid have to be worth it for the entire group. I would expect the rewards to be nearly double the price of the majority of decent GWD drops, and frankly looking at them I cannot see that happening. The prayer scrolls will definitely be valuable but presumably drop frequently. The elder items, in particular the mace will be worth a lot but in reality its has even more limited use than the abyssal bludgeon. The wand again is best for pvp or spamming barrage for magic levels, nobody is going to use it over trident for pve. The robes are really nice but i'm really struggling to think of anybody who would really want to buy them for a lot of money, a large price tag for some magic and prayer bonus seems lackluster for a combat class that is already far out of favor for pvm. The dragon sword is pointless, so effectively what i'm asking is why would anybody even bother to raid when you can do corp with the same people for a potential 750m drop with essentially no risk?

A raid should be a raid, not a watered down GWD.


Amen to that If raids are worse than corp nobody will be doing them.

16-Aug-2016 17:40:18

Zorb49
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I hope these are enough rewards for such a big pvm update and I also hope these rewards sustain a high value for such a big pvm update because if not, this update will be disappointing.
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16-Aug-2016 17:40:23

Zorb49
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MysticNipple said :
Rewards seem largely underwhelming. If you're going to make a 'raid' I would be expecting to have at least 5+ people participating in the group and therefore the split rewards for bothering to raid have to be worth it for the entire group. I would expect the rewards to be nearly double the price of the majority of decent GWD drops, and frankly looking at them I cannot see that happening. The prayer scrolls will definitely be valuable but presumably drop frequently. The elder items, in particular the mace will be worth a lot but in reality its has even more limited use than the abyssal bludgeon. The wand again is best for pvp or spamming barrage for magic levels, nobody is going to use it over trident for pve. The robes are really nice but i'm really struggling to think of anybody who would really want to buy them for a lot of money, a large price tag for some magic and prayer bonus seems lackluster for a combat class that is already far out of favor for pvm. The dragon sword is pointless, so effectively what i'm asking is why would anybody even bother to raid when you can do corp with the same people for a potential 750m drop with essentially no risk?

A raid should be a raid, not a watered down GWD.


Yes, you're exactly right! These items need to sustain a high value to make it worth it for big teams. I feel like the proposed items will not sustain a high value too much longer after release and the splits will be bad for teams later on down the road. Jagex needs to be careful before releasing this piece of content because it is either going to be an amazing update or a flop because it will not be worth it to do even if the bosses and gameplay are really cool. I also know that it will be hard for Jagex to release better rewards that would be more OP and that would be more valuable becaue of how picky the community can be when voting.
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16-Aug-2016 17:49:13

Godsdoomer

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Wand is now useful only for ice barrage/burst training, I doubt it will be used to pk over toxic staff of dead. Kodai robes only use seems to be for PvM barrage/burst training as well, mage always lacked a bandos/armadyl version; this is not it.

~Reason I logged in on forums.. Why u no update prayers? All but three of them are junk and utterly laughable. Just add curses. Curses are good (unless you plan to in the future). 80+ prayer is currently near useless.

Currently the raid rewards are slightly disappointing in my opinion. Needs more zazz.

16-Aug-2016 17:49:26 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2016 17:56:26 by Godsdoomer

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