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Nyankeez

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We have heard a lot of you ask that if we can make RS3 bot free, why can’t we do the same for Old School? The simple reason for this is that a lot of the technology which allows us to identify and remove bots from RS3 does not fully exist in Old School. The changes that we need to make to incorporate this technology would be significantly game changing to Old School and that is something we need to avoid.

RS3 is bot free? Cmon you've got to be kidding me. I see more and more everyday now and just like in the past I report them and nothing happens. I've been watching one bot in particular botting at frosts on and off for a week now. If any1 looked at my report he would have been caught. Apparently you truly believe the game is bot free and you couldn't be more wrong.

27-Mar-2014 08:26:04 - Last edited on 27-Mar-2014 08:36:31 by Nyankeez

DesertFlower
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I guess it could be considered a nice thing.

However, twice I have been placed in that world, and I know without any doubts I am not, and have never, botted. So why is the program choosing me?

I still have vivid memories of the glitch on the day the new bot nuke program put 1000s of us into a dark bot hole. Yes, Jagex apologized, and was very nice to us that this happened to. And many thought it was cool to get to see the inside of that dark hole. I did not, however, find it cool. I still don't.

Maybe, if possible, once you have checked the player out, and they are innocent of botting, you can flag these players not to be flagged as a bot again? I've been playing since 05, and believe the staff has seen me around. I think they know I am a good player that has always played by the rules. :)

One other thought. We need a filter that can stop the scrolling of our skills. I do not need the system to tell me 28 times I have cooked a swordie, or burned one. ;) It also has its drawbacks, in that you miss seeing people speaking to you. It scrolls away. Which might cut down on people reporting innocent skillers as bots.

But I digress... Please, I just don't want to end up in W86 again. Three times will not be a charm. Please... :)
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27-Mar-2014 18:01:58

DesertFlower
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Read about this on another forum
It's easy notice able none speaking or replying and if they do it's some failed chat reply system.

It's quite funny.


This is untrue. If I am fletching, or fishing, or even cooking, for example, the system will tell me each time I do one thing. So if I have 28 to do, it will tell me 28 times. If I am watching a movie, or reading, or even speaking on the telephone, your text will scroll away. Therefore, if it scrolls away, I won't see it, and I won't respond to it. This does not make me a bot...

A filter to stop the repeated text of skillers, would be nice, and solve this problem. :)
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27-Mar-2014 18:12:46

DesertFlower
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You hop players to these worlds because you believe them to be botting correct?

However, you state if they hop back to a normal world and notice they were switched, it will then keep them in a perpetual state of hopping between worlds.

You go on to say, this shouldn't happen to efficient players. If that efficient player was flagged as a possible botter, isn't the way he would prove he is human to hop back?

However, you state those flagged as potential botters will just keep being hopped back to that world...

I'm sorry but this update is horrible, and makes no sense. If this is how you've chosen to tackle bots and what the big fuss was about and what has taken so long to implement thdn i'm disappointed. This will only effect legitimate players negatively.


I agree. This is going to effect the legitimate players negatively. And, since Jagex wants no way for good customers to contact them, and speak to a real human, to defend themselves, it will do a lot of harm to good rule-playing players. :(

If this computer generated system really checked out the legitimate players, and found these to be innocent of botting, why is it happening more then once to the legitimate player? It is happening more then once because the program is flawed, and innocent players are going to be harmed in the long run. :(
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27-Mar-2014 18:35:21

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I think you have to look at how a player and a bot's behaviour will change when they find out they have hopped worlds. There are many things that we look at and I can't go in to too much detail. However, in the worst case scenario which you have mentioned, if a player is stuck on one of these worlds he can continue to skill with no ill effects - he won't be banned if he isn't a bot. We can then look at what caused him to be sent there and update our systems to correct it.


Exactly how does a good rule-playing player contact a real staff person to defend themselves if your program flags them incorrectly? Defending yourself with a computer is like having a discussion with a brick wall. It's totally one sided, and the human has no chance.

This really worries me. I'm a skiller, and I do consider combat/slayer to be a skill. However, if I am fletching a large amount of maples I get from my Kingdom, that could be misconstrued as a bot. If I am not paying attention when another player speaks to me, it will scroll away.

Players that are accused of being a bot, needs a real human to speak to, in order to defend ourselves. If you're going to use a program to accuse, then a player must have access to a real human to defend themselves. Or it is absolutely unfair. IMHO, of course...
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27-Mar-2014 18:48:24

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I think you have to look at how a player and a bot's behaviour will change when they find out they have hopped worlds. There are many things that we look at and I can't go in to too much detail. However, in the worst case scenario which you have mentioned, if a player is stuck on one of these worlds he can continue to skill with no ill effects - he won't be banned if he isn't a bot. We can then look at what caused him to be sent there and update our systems to correct it.


Exactly how does a good rule-playing player contact a real staff person to defend themselves if your program flags them incorrectly? Defending yourself with a computer is like having a discussion with a brick wall. It's totally one sided, and the human has no chance.

This really worries me. I'm a skiller, and I do consider combat/slayer to be a skill. However, if I am fletching a large amount of maples I get from my Kingdom, that could be misconstrued as a bot. If I am not paying attention when another player speaks to me, it will scroll away.

Players that are accused of being a bot, needs a real human to speak to, in order to defend ourselves. If you're going to use a program to accuse, then a player must have access to a real human to defend themselves. Or it is absolutely unfair. IMHO, of course...


Who cares if the computer flags you everyday, because everyday when a live jmod checks you out they'll see there's a problem with the system. Where is the harm, I would be very happy to see they actually care about the botting problem and are doing something.

28-Mar-2014 07:15:33

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Who cares? I do. What's to say that there will be a JMod checking out everyone that is accused, and not another silly program, or even the same program? I've known players that have been accused on pre-eoc, and they had no defense. Speaking with a computer program, that is programmed to give 'canned answers' is UNFAIR, and just plain WRONG.

Now that I have been placed in W86, 3 times, once 2 times instantly, was unfair to me. I believe because I was standing at the Lumby bank chest fletching, while buying supplies that I wanted. I was watching a couple documentaries, and even if any had spoken to me, because there is no filter to stop the system from telling me I just fletched a bow, x-amount of times, I would not see their text. It would scroll away.

I don't like being accused of something I have not, and never have, done. Worse, having no way to defend myself.

Also, my belief, it is better to let 1000 bots go free, then condemn one innocent player...
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28-Mar-2014 14:20:05

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i was sent there slaying greater demons.

After killing 10, yes TEN, i was teleported.

Not only was this utterly ridiculous, it is causing me a great deal of anxiety as an honest player who loves and wishes to continue playing this game

29-Mar-2014 01:37:35

DesertFlower
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Interesting update, good way to deal with players who may be botting.


Ms. Rell, do you realize what you said? It is the same as saying lets put people in prison because they
may
have committed a crime. No proof, just that they may have done something wrong.
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29-Mar-2014 11:03:11

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