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Skilor
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Clans will always stay.
You dont wanna go bandos with 2 randoms and everyone take alches and fill up that inventory with magic logs snapdragons addy ores, coal etc.
Its still a lot easyer if 1 person takes alches en other persons take some stack items and share after the trip.
And thats something you will still do with clans and not with randoms.
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09-Feb-2016 13:49:42

Amathyn
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As a clan leader my concern is that this will deter people from joining clans which are such a pivotal point in most players gaming experience and for the game in general. If they are comfortable bossing with random players then they will see no need to join a trusted and well-established clan.

This also makes soloing near impossible on at least half of the worlds, yes you can just go to a world where shard share is not active but the competition on all worlds for spaces at bosses (especially at peak hours) is very intense at present. If you were crashed soloing now you still have a chance at getting the drop. If you were crashed, even by a duo using shard share, you would stand no chance at getting a drop unless you were maxed and they were level 70.

Finally, will these shards even sell? How can we guarantee that people would try to gather all the required shards for the item instead of just buying the item straight off? I know RS3 has a similar system, could we compare data on prices of shards compared to items and the numbers of shards traded?
In my eyes people would only buy shards if they cost less than buying the item, putting PVMers out of pocket.
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09-Feb-2016 13:54:10

HairyGimli

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dumb bch said :
Spoice said :
Coinshare generates cash out of thin air.

And about the shards, you could always duo in GWD and instead of always having to sell the item u can save up on 1/2 Tassets and zammy Spears and put them in a loottab, not having to concert ur split-cash converted to platinum tokens just to keep track of it

Shard share is lovely, thats why the dev blog was changed
Did you even read the previous Devblog?
It was stated that if coinshare comes out,it will get sold in the ge for the highest price possible.
Which means no GP is generated, short term it will be flipped abit but in the longrun it's better.

So if the highest offer for bandos tassy is 100k at the moment you receive the loot, each person gets a split of that 100k. Not really fair imo... it won't be common, but it is possible... surely for the elysian sigil. im 100% sure it will crash very baddly, because people will place 500m offers instead of 800m.

That said, I'm not a great fan of shardshare as well. I don't believe the shards will sell for a fair price, because there's no reason to buy them. and on the other hand, if the shards can be bought for a lower price than the item, why would i buy the item?? so the items will crash and it will become a cyclus.

However, i think there could be a solution for this. but this will never happen i think.
SO: What if we make items like bandos tassets untradeable?
- iF we would like to sell a Bandos tassets, we can trade it for 300 shards at an NPC.
Than we sell the shards in the GE.
- IF we would like to buy a bandos tassets, we can buy 300 shards in the GE.
Than we can trade those shards at the NPC for a bandos tassets.
- IF we receive a bandos tassets as a loot (with Shardshare enabled), 300 shards will be split*

******; SHARDS will sell, ITEMS won't crash. But it's a very drastic solution.

I will vote NO for shardshare as presented atm
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09-Feb-2016 13:58:49

Slaya Boy

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also it needs super rich people to buy up all elysian shards. that means ely shards wont sell that easy. people end up selling cheap to lowballers. also dont forget some despirate people try to get rid of the shards for any price, that will make lowballers to go even low.

what im saying is when a team gets ely shards, 1st person to race to ge will get best prices, rest of the people rip.

lootshare and instant share was best idea. ty to social media scapers for choosing the system we dont even want.

09-Feb-2016 13:59:14 - Last edited on 09-Feb-2016 14:07:48 by Slaya Boy

Saxo
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HairyGimli said :


So if the highest offer for bandos tassy is 100k at the moment you receive the loot, each person gets a split of that 100k. Not really fair imo... it won't be common, but it is possible... surely for the elysian sigil. im 100% sure it will crash very baddly, because people will place 500m offers instead of 800m.


I've been pushing for similar to instant share for a while and have posted solutions to any possible problem.

Simple for your tassets problem? Sell to the highest bidder, only if that price is within 5% of the average sale price over the last 4 hours. If it's not within the average sale price, then the item is held until there is an offer within 5% and cash is given out at a later time (obtained from a GE or banker).

What if you don't want to wait and the item is like 10k under 5%? Then the person who received the drop will have the option to sell it instantly to the highest bidder and the cash will be distributed evenly between the team. Something else I posted would be a voting system where all members of the team can vote to sell it rather than just the person who got drop, and if the majority vote yes it auto sells, if not it waits until the system does it automatically.

OT: Will be voting no. Give us LS and Instant Share, stop cheapening out because there's engine work needed and giving us a half assed alternative. If I'm with a team I want coins, not a split of some item and I don't agree with removing LS either**** was popular in the main game, why remove that option? If people don't want to do LS then they can do InstantShare.

09-Feb-2016 14:18:17 - Last edited on 09-Feb-2016 14:29:07 by Saxo

Ronin Shogun
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I don't like the shard idea because, how are the shards in my bank going to keep up with the rise and fall of the item it is correlated with? If Jagex made a mechanic for this, they did not do well at explaining it. If the item gets cheaper than the shards, no one will buy shards and vise versa. I'm with full loot share but NOT coin share.

The soul reason I personally want loot share is so people with maxed stats and maxed str/att gear can't get LUCKY and take all the kills even though I have same stats and gear as them. I have a team I can TRUST, so trust is not an issue for me.

09-Feb-2016 14:27:42 - Last edited on 09-Feb-2016 14:28:33 by Ronin Shogun

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