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Gurp Gork
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Duo Armadyl said :
"LootShare offers a way to avoid trust being a factor all together. Relying on LSP to distribute loot fairly over time rather than relying on your team to split each individual loot means that you no longer need to be concerned with whether or not your team are trustworthy."

This is assuming that everyone will FFA items which is not the case. Only a very small percentage of teams actually FFA their loot. Trust will still be an issue, only now the loot won't go to the highest damager. If anything this will cause more scams, as people will get their LSP high then attempt to join a clan to scam a high valued item.


You bring up an extremely valid point. The last thing we need are more scammers, and this seems like a way to increase them. This is why I always liked the idea of shardshare so much. Out of curiosity, what is your opinion on that?
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02-Feb-2016 18:57:18 - Last edited on 02-Feb-2016 18:59:36 by Gurp Gork

Kray
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Since LSP will not decay, can the point distribution system favor the player with the lowest LSP on the team? Since we're on the topic of fairness, players with the lowest LSP on the team should receive the largest percentage of LSP after a major drop occurs since the new system will be giving the highest LSP player drastically increased drop chances over their team.

For instantshare, better clarification is needed on how to determine the "highest offer." Would it be highest offer on the GE outside of average price? Highest offer within the average price?

Contingencies should also be considered for such events as: what if the highest offer is way below market price? What if players start manipulating buy offers? What if there is no buy offer for X item at the time? Would the item be in limbo until an offer is placed?

Contingency solutions should be presented with instantshare and not ignored. Just because something very rarely happens does not mean it can not happen. Chasing Nightmares

02-Feb-2016 19:19:50

Packyff
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So you will only be able to do the traditional bossing methods (which almost everyone will continue to prefer) in 40% of worlds?

Please vote no for this people. At least until they come up with a more reasonable number. Think about how hard it is to find a free world to boss in already. Imagine if you could only chose from 40% of the worlds.

02-Feb-2016 19:23:11

Zansus

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This version of lootshare is a good compromise of what supporters wanted, however
there are still huge routes to abuse this system
if implemented.

Scammers could save up LSP from boss masses where the kills/drops come faster but they are less likely to receive one individually. Then they could take the LSP to a small group or a PvM clan where the kills would be slower, but if they got that big drop it would almost certainly be theirs.
Second
, there is also the issue of designated LS worlds messing up the bossing of people not interested in this exact system.

This does not solve the issue of needing trust in your teammates as there will still be ways to abuse teammates.

In my opinion this proposed version of lootshare feels rushed.
The need for an underlying system to implement other options is understandable.
I suggest you leave the system as it is, while building a drop/loot infrastructure for a future update that will not leave room for abuse.


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02-Feb-2016 19:23:35 - Last edited on 03-Feb-2016 01:17:40 by Zansus

Polar Lights

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I personally feel like people should be encouraged to join clans to avoid being scammed at bosses, this keeps the clanning community alive and lets people into a whole new part of runescape, an extremely enjoyable and game changing one.


There is no guarantee that the clan members are not going to scam. Recently a clan leader scammed an ely and it's not like some players are not logging out with things like hilts.

On topic, i wonder what happens if there is no offers at all for things like armadyl helm... Is it still possible to obtain that item? Anyways, the instashare sounds good.

02-Feb-2016 19:26:52 - Last edited on 02-Feb-2016 19:30:04 by Polar Lights

Gato

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"One example of a system we could offer if LootShare were to be introduced is InstantShare. If you were to get a signature drop from a boss monster with InstantShare enabled the item would instantly be sold on the Grand Exchange to the highest existing offer. The coins from this trade is then split evenly between the team."

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

02-Feb-2016 19:28:02

Transcendent

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This sounds great. LSP not going up or down unless you receive a drop means your potential for loot doesn't decrease or increase unless you actually get or don't get high value loot, which sounds really great for anyone who fights NPC* with teams, and its nice not having to worry about high LSP eroding so you won't miss out on potential loot while you are not able to play.

The idea for a possible future InstantShare sounds better than shardshare. Immediately selling to the highest current offer eliminates the problem of an item going on the GE at too high of a price to ever sell and also does not generate any GP, instead taking GP from an actual offer, and you don't have to worry about the shard values dropping or not being able to sell them for the current GE value, it is a really ingenious solution and whoever thought of it has a brilliant mind.

As a player who solos and is unlikely to do anything in teams and is not likely to use lootshare, I am glad there will be worlds where lootshare will not be active, and if I ever do use it it sounds like a fair system if implemented as described here.

Even though I am not likely to use lootshare myself, it still effects me as someone who may have offers in the GE to buy things, so I really like the plans as described here. Hi.

02-Feb-2016 19:28:24

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