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Nozzles
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Nozzles

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Hot Zucchini said :
This is absolutely ridiculous.

STOP releasing rare items like partyhats, santas etc.. You just killed the prices of them all over again.

Other than that I like the update so thanks ^^

That's literally the point. They have stated multiple times that rares are going to be re-distributed every year to keep prices low and give everyone an equal chance at owning them. "Rares" in this game have no actual potential to become rare, yet some people are still surprised and angry every holiday event each year when they get re-distributed.

OT: Cool sounding holiday event, I'll have to check it out tomorrow. Varrock looks nice, much snow, such festive.

15-Dec-2015 11:38:21

Disziple

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Nozzles said :


That's literally the point. They have stated multiple times that rares are going to be re-distributed every year to keep prices low and give everyone an equal chance at owning them. "Rares" in this game have no actual potential to become rare, yet some people are still surprised and angry every holiday event each year when they get re-distributed.

OT: Cool sounding holiday event, I'll have to check it out tomorrow. Varrock looks nice, much snow, such festive.
Yes and why is that?

They say "holiday items were supposed to be fun" as if discontinued items are not fun. What is the argumentation that I'm missing here? For all I know discontinued items are more fun. Everyone gets them when they play and they continue to be fun years and years after the event unlike non-discontinued items which also everyone gets at first but which soon lose their value and fun.

Why shouldn't holiday items be discontinued? What's so bad about items that cost 1b? If equality of outcomes is their goal in RuneScape virtual fantasy game then I think they're making a big mistake making the game lose one of its interesting features for the sake of (supposed) equality. Equality of outcomes does not work even in fantasy game let alone IRL. It just creates misery and lack of goals, dreams and individuation.

15-Dec-2015 11:46:28 - Last edited on 15-Dec-2015 11:55:55 by Disziple

Benvil
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Disziple said :

Yes and why is that?

They say "holiday items were supposed to be fun" as if discontinued items are not fun. What is the argumentation that I'm missing here? For all I know discontinued items are more fun. Everyone gets them when they play and they continue to be fun years and years after the event unlike non-discontinued items which also everyone gets at first but which soon lose their value and fun.

Why shouldn't holiday items be discontinued? What's so bad about items that cost 1b? If equality of outcomes is their goal in RuneScape virtual fantasy game then I think they're making a big mistake making the game lose one of its interesting features for the sake of (supposed) equality. Equality of outcomes does not work even in fantasy game let alone IRL. It just creates misery and lack of goals, dreams and individuation.
Because discontinued aren't fun... There, I said it!

The industry got enough games with cheap special snowflake limited edition promotinal bullhockey. I respect OSRS for NOT doing things like that.

If you want something super expensive which ALMOST works like discontinued items, invest in Third Age items. They come into the game so slowly that they never really can meet the demand from new players, keeping the price similiar to discontinued items. If you want evidence just look at RS3, where Third Age items still got insanely high value.

15-Dec-2015 12:12:47 - Last edited on 15-Dec-2015 12:13:09 by Benvil

b r ok en
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b r ok en

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Disziple said :
Mod Mat K said :


When we first brought the holiday items out it was agreed that they should never be able to hold the value they do in RS3 as they were meant to be a fun thing, but players still want to be able to make some money off them. By releasing them once a year, everyone gets the chance to enjoy them and those who plan ahead can hoard them and make a fair bit of money throughout the rest of the year.
Will this decision ever be reconsidered?

You must acknowledge that rare items also brought a lot to this game. Something to big money market that 3a items will never be able to achieve.

I don't know how many players were actually "disappointed" or "sad" because they never got rares. I don't think that number was high or that their opinion is even relevant when considering rares. It's good for MMOR** to have items that many people know they will never get. If everyone is able to get every item in the game then the game will be bad and unexciting. There was something about old rares that transcended regular gameplay, similar to Vanilla World of Warcraft "Legendary items".

I think you're making a great mistake if you just think about average player and design the game catering to that. Is it not the dreams that keep players playing? Without dreams I quite honestly don't think OSRS gameplay is up to par to offer anything that would keep players playing. Without those dreams, hopes, fantasies the game would be dead. So don't underestimate the importance of "unobtainable" discontinued items.

Lets call osrs - rs3 exchange rate 1:5 (its higher).
Ely = ~800m osrs 4B rs3
3a long/cloak = 1.5b+ ea osrs = 7.5b+ ea rs3
3a bow = ~1b osrs = 5b rs3
3a wand = ~700m osrs = 3.5b rs3

I'm gonna go ahead and assume since you probably weren't aware of these items you will probably never own any of these items. All items cost 27.5b rs3 *minimum*. We already have rares.

15-Dec-2015 12:18:38

Disziple

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Benvil said :

Because discontinued aren't fun... There, I said it!

The industry got enough games with cheap special snowflake limited edition promotinal bullhockey. I respect OSRS for NOT doing things like that.

If you want something super expensive which ALMOST works like discontinued items, invest in Third Age items. They come into the game so slowly that they never really can meet the demand from new players, keeping the price similiar to discontinued items. If you want evidence just look at RS3, where Third Age items still got insanely high value.
If some people don't want discontinued items they don't have to get them. If it's fun for some but not fun for others then you can release them in separate events and those who don't find them fun don't have to play those events.

3rd age item is not discontinued even if its price is higher than that of discontinued item. It's the fact that the item is discontinued that keeps some players working towards the goal knowing that they will get to keep a piece of something that there is only a finite number in the game. So the item is thought to be permanent (although trader usually trades it onwards).

That's the whole reason why discontinued items create a meta game that transcends the limits of regular trading and create long-term content for hundreds of players. It's a shame Jagex only sees their socialist principle and not what the game is missing gameplay-wise by not releasing discontinued items.

15-Dec-2015 12:22:17

Poison Vein

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I'm sorry disziple but the only people who argue that its for fun aren't serious. No matter how many times you try to argue that point we all know the only reason people get upset every year is because they want to own these, wait for them to become rare, and cash out because they didn't get the chance to do this the first time around.

15-Dec-2015 12:32:30

Benvil
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Benvil

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Disziple said :

If some people don't want discontinued items they don't have to get them. If it's fun for some but not fun for others then you can release them in separate events and those who don't find them fun don't have to play those events.

3rd age item is not discontinued even if its price is higher than that of discontinued item. It's the fact that the item is discontinued that keeps some players working towards the goal knowing that they will get to keep a piece of something that there is only a finite number in the game. So the item is thought to be permanent (although trader usually trades it onwards).

That's the whole reason why discontinued items create a meta game that transcends the limits of regular trading and create long-term content for hundreds of players. It's a shame Jagex only sees their socialist principle and not what the game is missing gameplay-wise by not releasing discontinued items.
I disagree completely, and calling it socialist... Really? There's no political agenda in this, Jagex simply learned from past experiences with making discontinued items. Players are smarter today as well, if they release a new wave of discontinued items, there'll instantly be people with big banks able to hoard them all and sit on them and deny the enjoyment from everyone else.

Times have changed, back when the first discontinued items came into the game, people barely had a clue, gold was hard to come by, and the game lacked "big wigs" since there was no staking/merching/etc back then. You might have this nostalgic feeling toward discontinued items, and that's fine, I respect that... But it wouldn't ever be the same, not even close. They come into the game and get manipulated hardcore in an instant.

Also, heavens forbid that OSRS remain unique. If you want discontinued items, 50% of the games industry can offer you that.

15-Dec-2015 12:38:24 - Last edited on 15-Dec-2015 12:40:51 by Benvil

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