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RNGreed

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Notachemist, EOC is a tried and true, paint by numbers generic mmo combat system. Incredibly different from sailing. And using EOC as an argument when it made millions quit Runescape is laughable.

Just because the players want it does not mean that its good for the game. The players wanted sailing for over 10 years and it was decided not to be implemented in Runescape. Adding it now would be a shortsighted mistake by a clueless dev team.

08-Sep-2015 22:01:23 - Last edited on 08-Sep-2015 22:04:06 by RNGreed

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"Having a new skill just for the sake of having a new skill will lead to an unsatisfying experience. Runescape has had an established way for content to get into the game, the OSRS team has avoided that because they don't have enough developers. I'd love for there to be new quests and all the other ways content has traditionally made it into the game, putting it behind sailing which doesn't fit runescape's skill system is not the way to do it."

"a new skill just for the sake of having a new skill"
Who are you to decide for everyone that this skill is just being added for the sake of a new skill, or that it will lead to an unsatisfying experience? I can easily think of a reason it's being added: exploring more areas and unlocking more things, that's in a method similar to DG but actually being integrated to the rest of the game.


"Runescape has had an established way for content to get into the game"
Yeah, it was adding it without a poll.

"I'd love for there to be new quests and all the other ways content has traditionally made it into the game, putting it behind sailing which doesn't fit runescape's skill system is not the way to do it"
New content is frequently restricted, be it by a skill or a quest. Putting stuff behind sailing is no different than putting it behind a quest. It's even better for people who don't want to train sailing, because they can access it anyways via another player.

08-Sep-2015 22:03:56

Red13

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RNGreed said :
Notachemist, EOC is a tried and true, paint by numbers generic mmo combat system. Incredibly different from sailing. And using EOC as an argument when it made millions quit Runescape is laughable.

Actually you're the one technically using EOC as an argument seeing as you're the one praising the 'original developers' who you claim have much more insight on how to run the game, yet created the EOC. Oops

08-Sep-2015 22:05:04

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RNGreed said :
Notachemist, EOC is a tried and true, paint by numbers generic mmo combat system. Incredibly different from sailing. And using EOC as an argument when it made millions quit Runescape is laughable.

Just because the players want it does not mean that its good for the game. The players wanted sailing for over 10 years and it was decided not to be implemented in Runescape. Adding it now would be a shortsighted mistake by a clueless dev team.

Quests locked things behind content, especially grandmasters. Don't want to do RoTM? Guess you won't kill Glacors for (at the time) BiS boots. And the update wasn't polled.

You're right, just because the players want it doesn't necessarily mean it's best for the game. So let's not give players what they want, because they don't know anything.

08-Sep-2015 22:07:03

RNGreed

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Runescape has a tried and true method for getting things into the game: new quests, new landmasses, new caves etc. Making you pilot a boat there goes against this precedent. Your "reason of sailing being added" that new stuff will get into the game proves my point that sailing is just there to be blackmail the playerbase into getting a new skill when there's no good reason for it to be one. New skills are proven to hike membership numbers, its not rocket science.

Red, you are ignorant on who mismanaged the game and company into the disaster of Rs3. It certainly was not the Gower brothers who started this game and ran it successfully for years into the most played MMO in the world.

08-Sep-2015 22:09:16 - Last edited on 08-Sep-2015 22:12:23 by RNGreed

Red13

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RNGreed said :
Runescape has a tried and true method for getting things into the game: new quests, new landmasses, new caves etc. Making you pilot a boat there goes against this precedent. Your "reason of sailing being added" that new stuff will get into the game proves my point that sailing is just there to be blackmail the playerbase into getting a new skill when there's no good reason for it to be one. New skills are proven to hike membership numbers, its not rocket science.

New skills bring new things into the game also. Tried and true 23 different times (and even more with RS3)

08-Sep-2015 22:12:05

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How about stop making these kind of update and make the dam new continent you promised with PVM dung or something like that. I know it was mod reaches work and idea but common sailing who gives a dam it's another useless skill like firemaking.

I want to see some improvement in updates, not like oh lets add new boots that already existed or ohhh let's add slayer monsters that already exist and make it look better and stronger to please the community. Why not think of a brand new concept. Any 2 year old can think of those updates.

You so called Old School team, we'll I mean the developers, let's face it Chris Archie and Ronan has no effect on the game. LACK OF INNOVATION.
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08-Sep-2015 22:14:04

RNGreed

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Red13 said :
RNGreed said :
Runescape has a tried and true method for getting things into the game: new quests, new landmasses, new caves etc. Making you pilot a boat there goes against this precedent. Your "reason of sailing being added" that new stuff will get into the game proves my point that sailing is just there to be blackmail the playerbase into getting a new skill when there's no good reason for it to be one. New skills are proven to hike membership numbers, its not rocket science.

New skills bring new things into the game also. Tried and true 23 different times (and even more with RS3)

New skills bring their own, insulated and self-contained concepts with them. Hunting is where you hunt monsters with traps. Sailing leeches other areas of the game and demands that you do sailing if you want to use the skilling content from other skills. I want to unlock better fish to catch by fishing, and not by training another skill. It's completely backwards to what OSRS's skill system is designed around.

08-Sep-2015 22:14:20 - Last edited on 08-Sep-2015 22:17:45 by RNGreed

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RNGreed said :
Runescape has a tried and true method for getting things into the game: new quests, new landmasses, new caves etc. Making you pilot a boat there goes against this precedent. Your "reason of sailing being added" that new stuff will get into the game proves my point that sailing is just there to be blackmail the playerbase into getting a new skill when there's no good reason for it to be one. New skills are proven to hike membership numbers, its not rocket science.

"Runescape has a tried and true method for getting things into the game: new quests, new landmasses, new caves etc."
If we're talking about those updates, several dungeons were released without a quest. Ganodermic dungeon for example. Dominion tower, which while fun, literally has no basis being there in my opinion. "Locking" the content behind a new skill is no different than doing it behind a quest (and for the record, you can access it anyways via sailing with someone else). I fail to see how sailing your own boat goes against all this...you can teleport/fly places and charter ships, so why not sail?

The playerbase is not being "blackmailed" considering on the recent livesteams, the updates could be introduced without sailing anyways.

"sailing is just there to be blackmail the playerbase into getting a new skill when there's no good reason for it to be one."

Once again, you're going to decide for the playerbase they're being blackmailed, and/or that there's no good reason for sailing to be a skill?

Also, you act like something is bad with getting more players in the game.

08-Sep-2015 22:16:40

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