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Caughtereyes
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It has been my opinion from day 1 that this update should be implemented as a completely new account type with a black chatbadge w/white outline identical to ironmen. Additionally, Deadmen should be allowed on all servers, but only to attack other Deadmen. That way pvp could be occurring alongside others. This would satisfy the nonexistence of the incredibly popular notion of dueling from RSC. It would also make the landscape of regular RS exciting to watch even for nonDeadmen. The idea of reserving all Deadman activity to specific servers is incredibly incredibly bad. If you do that, the naysayers above will be correct--it will create an unhealthy schism and destroy existing pvp infrastructures. People should be required to start a new account and select Deadman with Grim, who stands next to the Ironman tutors at the end of Tutorial Island. This would create an ultra-high stakes scenario for deadmen who want to skill and NOT pvp (this is what I would do--skilling with a super high stake). This basically can't be done unless chatbadges are appended to the names of players when you right click them, or unless some other signifier accompanied Deadmen wherever they went. It reminds me of the Mark of Cain.

Also, I love the idea of Hardcore Deadman--RS3's permanent death mechanic applied to Deadmen. WOOOOOOOOO. Also, killcount highscores for Deadmen.

"DMPl0x, slayer of 1302 Deadmen, was felled in Lumbridge by DMl0l." could be a possible format for a serverwide announcement. (I know people are super super testy on this issue, it's just an idea)
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11-Jun-2015 23:10:19 - Last edited on 11-Jun-2015 23:13:47 by Caughtereyes

nZoot
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Formerly Joy said :
Deadman Mode will divide our player base further, kill our current PvP, and offer highly punishing mechanics which will ultimately have players quit the game!

Dividing The Player Base:

We have the standard Runescape account and by bastardized popularization we introduced Ironman Mode, and the absurd Ironman Mode. Currently we don't have enough players to fill our worlds, or their content. Zeah is on its way! We can't afford to split our player base further.


Our Current PvP Is In Trouble:

PvP is currently no risk, no reward, and always being ddosed. If you introduce Deadman Mode and people leave our current PvP it will die out. Furthermore, Deadman Mode will become ddosed like current PvP.


Player WILL QUIT:

Let's transition perfectly into the ddos issue. Players will be punished to the point of no sympathy. All of their beloved work will be gone and so will their admiration for this game.


Do you really want to do this!? Just because Mat K said it was a cool idea on stream? Should we let the game as a whole suffer for the mistake of one person? Let's see, why is this familiar? Oh, right, Evolution of Combat and Mod Mark. Our game has quickly dropped from 50K to 40K player base. Our game has made a 10,000 USD PvP tournament to try to hype PvP. PvP is already in trouble as is all of our unfulfilled content. Please CANCEL this terrible update before it's too late. I get people are blinded by hype, but maybe they should take a second to consider the risks this update will bring.


+1

11-Jun-2015 23:31:58

VENOM_EFFECT

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there needs to be a way to trade like g.e
and banks should be safe spots where players can trade.
and there should be anti ddosing where if some1 dies to a dc the items should be left on the ground and no items should appear for the killer. and no bank key.

11-Jun-2015 23:40:46

Earthbend
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Formerly Joy said :
Deadman Mode will divide our player base further, kill our current PvP, and offer highly punishing mechanics which will ultimately have players quit the game!

Dividing The Player Base:

We have the standard Runescape account and by bastardized popularization we introduced Ironman Mode, and the absurd Ironman Mode. Currently we don't have enough players to fill our worlds, or their content. Zeah is on its way! We can't afford to split our player base further.


Our Current PvP Is In Trouble:

PvP is currently no risk, no reward, and always being ddosed. If you introduce Deadman Mode and people leave our current PvP it will die out. Furthermore, Deadman Mode will become ddosed like current PvP.


Player WILL QUIT:

Let's transition perfectly into the ddos issue. Players will be punished to the point of no sympathy. All of their beloved work will be gone and so will their admiration for this game.



I agree, and you've pointed out some issues / concerns with this update. I do not support this proposed update, and I would like to see development time be spent elsewhere.

Finally, as a skiller, this update would not apply to me. It is a very unique idea, and I can see players taking part... however, many issues and concerns come to mind, and for that, I cannot support.
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11-Jun-2015 23:54:17

Lnar

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@IRONMUSIQ
Quote: I think you have some bad experiences with other players or in clan. If you don't trust the person, don't tell them about your plan and don't let him join your group.

Quote: What if someone gets a rare drop like dragon legs, who cares? Your team should only consist of trustworthy people. And even if 1 guy wants those legs and tries to kill the person, the other team members will kill him and will ban him from the clan which makes him alone and vulnerable to anyone.


you're soo optimistic about this and you're beginning to sound delusional.
*trustworthy people* , god, how long have you even played this game for?
Half of the community is based on people who would put their own interests before others, since this game, by it's nature, fixates itself on a persons own progression ( avatar levelling/achievements ). I'm not saying your point of finding trustworthy people doesn't apply, i'm just saying it's unrealistic to suggest that any given person can just stumble upon trustworthy people to pair themselves with.

FYI, no, i'm not basing my argument on some past encounters with players or a clan.
My pessimism is based off realism on the matter - something that you seem to be avoiding no matter how many times you've been told that this is a BAD idea.

In addition, and you don't need to reply to this because i'm just making the point :

- What's stopping people from just hopping worlds in larger groups and killing off these PVMers, taking their gear/supplies from their banks?

12-Jun-2015 00:18:45 - Last edited on 12-Jun-2015 00:23:55 by Lnar

Alvatrosss

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I've had the idea my self but on a much smaller scale. Almost like a different game mode or large mini game. I think this should be a 1-2 server mode where members can log into an account at level 3 separate from their normal old school account character. I can't see this feature being used otherwise. I for one have no interest in paying for a separate account and i'm not risking massively my main with a year of work. The idea of having to fight to survive in rs would be really fun challenge but not something that should be part of the actual game. I think also it should only be in f2p world (even if members content is in it).

another possible way would be instead of lvl 3 you log into a max lvl character and it's a fight for recourses and pvp. i absolutely see the potential fun in this style of game mode but i think the current proposal is really off. especially the death penalties if they were to apply to people's mains that they work so hard on.

12-Jun-2015 02:27:50

JulyLegend
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Basically, Nice Update this would be.

1. Those who thinks this would destroy the current pvp scale, they are dumb.
When anything like "losing your bank" is added, none would go to such world, except few HIGH Players.

2. The best way to make this update successfull is, Devlop along with this, a new update which wouldn't let you allow transfer more than 20million from your 1 account to the other.... I guess this is no restriction on any free trade or likewise, because even if someone is making a new pure, 20million is more than enough for a week. + this update would tackle those goldgp sellers who are doing over 500m+ transictions each day.

3. Delete this reply as soon as a mod reads this, so not many would know about this :)

12-Jun-2015 02:45:02

10tontos
Jan Member 2015

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Miu said :
The xp loss should only be in combat stats. Losing half your total xp in every skill will get old, and annoying, very fast.

Agreed but all skills should also be boosted to 10x or something.

Level 99 said :
I really hope it comes to RuneScape 3 too, not sure why they make Ironman on both games and this mode (which I think could be more successful at the start than Ironman) only on Oldschool?

This idea was from a member of the oldschool team. They don't have power over rs3. Im sure if it gets big, they will do it for rs3 too.


edit:

Seems some people don't understand that it will be a different game. In other words your account will not transfer. Banks , stats, etc wont transfer

12-Jun-2015 03:08:51 - Last edited on 12-Jun-2015 03:12:27 by 10tontos

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