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Formerly Joy

Formerly Joy

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Frost Mages said :
Cya Bruh said :
Don't bother adding any more underwhelming weapons. We got variety with blessed sara sword etc, but it doesn't do anything if these weapons are designed sub-par to cheaper weapons that are already in the game.

We need actual viable weapons that compete with current weapons for kill potential and risk/reward, not weapons designed specifically to be worse than what's currently in the game so the vegans of rs vote for it.

P1stols!! An actual PK'er like me. Someone who knows what PvP needs like myself :) :) :P :P :D :D ^_^ ^_^

09-Jun-2015 00:35:42

Frost Mages

Frost Mages

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Formerly Joy said :
Abyssal dagger special attack (+114 strength bonus, +123 stab bonus)
Max hit: 72 (36-36)
Average hit: 11.77
Hit 10+: 31.37%
Hit 20+: 27.67%
Hit 30+: 21.58%
Hit 40+: 13.39%
Hit 50+: 6.59%
Hit 60+: 2.17%
Hit 70+: 0.14%


Data provided by Woox and the Combat Formula Forum.
If data is correct then I have a perfect fix to the Abyssal Dagger nerf. It needs a slight buff to be sure it is used in PvP and helps bring back Hybrid PK'ing:


Abyssal Punture:
50% Drain Rate.

The special attack hits twice in quick succession (just like the dragon dagger) with 10% reduced damage and 50% increased accuracy. If the first hit deals damage, so will the second. Both hits deal damage or neither do.


NOTE: I am editing this in. This is the BARE MINIMUM of what this Special Attack should provide. I believe the Drain Rate should be 35% and the damage reduction should be either completely removed, or reduced to 5%. Remember, we are trying to make an "upgraded Dragon Dagger." Furthermore, revive Hybrid PvP which is the most high risk, high skilled, high reward PK'ing in game. If we don't release a proper Abyssal Dagger... People will continue to PK in Rune, AGS, and untradables for no risk. THIS IS WHY PvP is DEAD.


This will ensure the max hits at least 40; taking into consideration you are willing to RISK max gear. This will also justify the dagger being without poison and will still be lower damage output than several other Spec Weps.


Seriously, is this not what we need to bring back Hybrids? Please consider this. I do not want to see the Abyssal Dagger become useless.

Note: The Abyssal Dagger is still a low DPS weapon. The Special Attack will more often than not hit too low. This isn't fair for half your Spec-Bar.

09-Jun-2015 00:47:11

Frost Mages

Frost Mages

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Please make the abyssal dagger actually useful? As a pker of 9 years i see this as a chance to make pking enjoyable and exciting again, lets not waste it. Joy multiple amazing points and i fully support his ideas. Theres is zero excuse for a 30k dds to be equal or better than the abyssal dagger. Personally i was just looking forward to maybe a more accurate dds or a few extra max hits higher than the dds. So tired of this fear of overpowered weapons ruining pking. This is 2015. If your not pking with combo foods when pking i dont know why your bothering pking. If you want people to be excited about your game/updates/pking you've gotta add new interesting situations in the game. With ags being the dominant weapon in the game(nothing really compares to the accuracy/dmg output) i feel pking has become very stale. This has led to myself and nearly all of my pking friends losing almost all interest in pking. I really feel the abyssal dagger could mix things up and make the pking scene for intense and exciting if done correctly. Please reconsider the current plans for the daggers special/stats and refer to Joy's post. Thanks for listening!

On a side note. I can't see a lot of people using the abyssal dagger over a zammy hasta.

09-Jun-2015 00:47:51

Formerly Joy

Formerly Joy

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Frost Mages said :
Please make the abyssal dagger actually useful? As a pker of 9 years i see this as a chance to make pking enjoyable and exciting again, lets not waste it. Joy multiple amazing points and i fully support his ideas. Theres is zero excuse for a 30k dds to be equal or better than the abyssal dagger. Personally i was just looking forward to maybe a more accurate dds or a few extra max hits higher than the dds. So tired of this fear of overpowered weapons ruining pking. This is 2015. If your not pking with combo foods when pking i dont know why your bothering pking. If you want people to be excited about your game/updates/pking you've gotta add new interesting situations in the game. With ags being the dominant weapon in the game(nothing really compares to the accuracy/dmg output) i feel pking has become very stale. This has led to myself and nearly all of my pking friends losing almost all interest in pking. I really feel the abyssal dagger could mix things up and make the pking scene for intense and exciting if done correctly. Please reconsider the current plans for the daggers special/stats and refer to Joy's post. Thanks for listening!

On a side note. I can't see a lot of people using the abyssal dagger over a zammy hasta.

^_^ This is #1. P1stols is such a great PK'er and has tons of videos to show for it. This is Runescape's original blue beard. I didn't even mention a Dragon Dagger is 30k, but amazing point. Also, I can't remember the last update that actually excited me.

This is the first. That is why I, a PK'er, and YouTuber, am here. Much like P1stols.

09-Jun-2015 00:50:54

Formerly Joy

Formerly Joy

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Teamviruz said :
I agree with Joy and P1stols. They have my support*

***;3 Ty : ).

Seriously, I am not making this up. Here is the quote the Old School team left us on Reddit:
"It is worth considering that it has been a long-standing request to get a new viable PvP special attack to spice up PKing a little bit. It would be nice if the special attack on one of these weapons was worthy of the wilderness."


I've just given THE solution. Not "a" but the solution. I highly recommend it. This is highly viable and will revive Hybrid PvP. A lost art. High risks being brought back into PvP will forever change the game we love for the best!

Please fix the Dagger. Give it love. Don't be afraid to "OP it." Firstly, it won't be more OP than current weapons. Secondly, do you ever want to excite us with your updates? How many Slayer dev-blogs do you want to make? Zeah just took 1. I've never been excited for an update until THIS. Hybridding...let's go.

FIX:
-Add 50% or more accuracy to the Abyssal Dagger special attack.
-Completely remove the -15% damage, or consider changing it to 5%. 10% At bare minimum!
-Consider changing the Drain Rate to 35% instead of 50%

Remember,
If you don't this is a waste of time and people will stick to the 30K Dragon Dagger. Also, AGS will continue to plague PvP and people will no risk and prod the wild. Abyssal Dagger is your biggest chance to counter this evil that has killed PvP for too long now.

09-Jun-2015 01:26:15

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