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Warchief X
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St8hunter said :
Warchief X said :
St8hunter said :
Warchief X said :
Heritage said :
Warchief X said :
Heritage said :
Warchief X said :
Honestly haven't heard a single valid reason to why GE will be bad for OSRS.

Merchers: They are the majority of the 28% right now who voted no. They are profiting a lot from bankstanding, which a lot of rs players dont enjoy doing.
If you are tired of buying buying overpriced items and selling your items to lowball offers, vote yes to GE.

If a mercher was smart, he would vote for the Grand Exchange, because making money is a lot easier with it if you merc*. Flipping and merching will take about no effort then.

There will be limit of 6 slots where they can sell items/buy items, meaning they can merc* 3 items at a time.. Without GE there will be no limit. Also, the profit margin will be much higher for merchers if there is no GE.

Oh, you haven't heard of alt-scape yet, that's funny.

Trading between accounts is allowed these days, so a rich player can simply create accounts, feed them bonds and avoid buy limits.

Mate, this is such a bad comeback. If they want to pay for extra accounts to merc* 3 extra items, then let them be. Like i said, without GE, the will be no limit.

Your comeback is actually quite weak. I haven't seen you giving us any good arguments at all.

Your arguments are the weakest of all, mate.

That's literally all you can say. I'm right and we will see in future ;)

Right back at you.

12-Jan-2015 22:03:05

Ice Mage
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Warchief X said :
Heritage said :
Warchief X said :
Honestly haven't heard a single valid reason to why GE will be bad for OSRS.

Merchers: They are the majority of the 28% right now who voted no. They are profiting a lot from bankstanding, which a lot of rs players dont enjoy doing.
If you are tired of buying buying overpriced items and selling your items to lowball offers, vote yes to GE.

If a mercher was smart, he would vote for the Grand Exchange, because making money is a lot easier with it if you merc*. Flipping and merching will take about no effort then.

There will be limit of 6 slots where they can sell items/buy items, meaning they can merc* 3 items at a time.. Without GE there will be no limit. Also, the profit margin will be much higher for merchers if there is no GE.

You sound so stupid, you're talking as if the GE will completely eradicate trading outside of the GE. They would still be able to buy things through regular trade, I fail to see your point.
Because the thing you lack when you're looking back is the pressure, the feel that you have to act
Yeah everything is clearer when you're looking at the past
-Streetlight Manifesto

12-Jan-2015 22:03:11

St8hunter
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Warchief X said :

Alright, here's something you cannot deny about the implementation of the Grand Exchange..

If you do not merchant via the Grand Exchange and take advantage of the flaws it brings you will not be as successful as someone who does. The amount of money to be made off the Grand Exchange via merching is ridiculous and is more than you will make off any other skill and the effort is minimal. Is that proper? For something that has no requirements and doesn't require you to stay online often to make the most money? Id possibly support the GE if they'd mention whats in next weeks poll however they don't. We're literally voting in this poll going blindfolded without knowing what tweaks they want to bring up in the poll they have planned for[/quote]

I didnt even understand your first sentence. Anyways, I think you are trying to say that people will make ridiculous amount of money off GE with minimal effort?
-If flipping in GE will make you "ridiculous" amount of money, then guess what will happen? everyone will start flipping. Once everyone start flipping, then what happens? the buying and selling range will become smaller and smaller to the point that its not "ridiculous" anymore.

Also, to prevent people from hoarding items, Jagex will set limit on items u can buy, which will prevent people from buying a ridiculous amount while they are offline. Also, your offers will be easily replaced by higher offers in ge.. U can be offline for 10 hours and only get a few of the items you want to merc*[/quote]

Yup and by the time that happens everyone will have a giant cashpile in their bank gg

12-Jan-2015 22:04:09

Warchief X
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Ice Mage said :
Warchief X said :
Heritage said :
Warchief X said :
Honestly haven't heard a single valid reason to why GE will be bad for OSRS.

Merchers: They are the majority of the 28% right now who voted no. They are profiting a lot from bankstanding, which a lot of rs players dont enjoy doing.
If you are tired of buying buying overpriced items and selling your items to lowball offers, vote yes to GE.

If a mercher was smart, he would vote for the Grand Exchange, because making money is a lot easier with it if you merc*. Flipping and merching will take about no effort then.

There will be limit of 6 slots where they can sell items/buy items, meaning they can merc* 3 items at a time.. Without GE there will be no limit. Also, the profit margin will be much higher for merchers if there is no GE.

You sound so stupid, you're talking as if the GE will completely eradicate trading outside of the GE. They would still be able to buy things through regular trade, I fail to see your point.

Please learn to read before you call someone stupid. Please state in which sentence that I implied that GE will completely eradicate trading outside of GE? Only stupid people start out arguments with an insult.

12-Jan-2015 22:05:47 - Last edited on 12-Jan-2015 22:06:07 by Warchief X

Warchief X
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St8hunter said :
Warchief X said :

Alright, here's something you cannot deny about the implementation of the Grand Exchange..

If you do not merchant via the Grand Exchange and take advantage of the flaws it brings you will not be as successful as someone who does. The amount of money to be made off the Grand Exchange via merching is ridiculous and is more than you will make off any other skill and the effort is minimal. Is that proper? For something that has no requirements and doesn't require you to stay online often to make the most money? Id possibly support the GE if they'd mention whats in next weeks poll however they don't. We're literally voting in this poll going blindfolded without knowing what tweaks they want to bring up in the poll they have planned for

I didnt even understand your first sentence. Anyways, I think you are trying to say that people will make ridiculous amount of money off GE with minimal effort?
-If flipping in GE will make you "ridiculous" amount of money, then guess what will happen? everyone will start flipping. Once everyone start flipping, then what happens? the buying and selling range will become smaller and smaller to the point that its not "ridiculous" anymore.

Also, to prevent people from hoarding items, Jagex will set limit on items u can buy, which will prevent people from buying a ridiculous amount while they are offline. Also, your offers will be easily replaced by higher offers in ge.. U can be offline for 10 hours and only get a few of the items you want to merc*[/quote]

Yup and by the time that happens everyone will have a giant cashpile in their bank gg[/quote]

Ya, why dont u take advantage of that and make that giant cashpile?

12-Jan-2015 22:08:01

Ice Mage
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Warchief X said :
Ice Mage said :
Warchief X said :
Heritage said :
Warchief X said :
Honestly haven't heard a single valid reason to why GE will be bad for OSRS.

Merchers: They are the majority of the 28% right now who voted no. They are profiting a lot from bankstanding, which a lot of rs players dont enjoy doing.
If you are tired of buying buying overpriced items and selling your items to lowball offers, vote yes to GE.

If a mercher was smart, he would vote for the Grand Exchange, because making money is a lot easier with it if you merc*. Flipping and merching will take about no effort then.

There will be limit of 6 slots where they can sell items/buy items, meaning they can merc* 3 items at a time.. Without GE there will be no limit. Also, the profit margin will be much higher for merchers if there is no GE.

You sound so stupid, you're talking as if the GE will completely eradicate trading outside of the GE. They would still be able to buy things through regular trade, I fail to see your point.

Please learn to read before you call someone stupid. Please state in which sentence that I implied that GE will completely eradicate trading outside of GE? Only stupid people start out arguments with an insult.

"There will be limit of 6 slots where they can sell items/buy items, meaning they can merc* 3 items at a time.."

...

" meaning they can merc* 3 items at a time.. "

Implying that they cannot merc* the same way they've been doing by oh, I don't know, trading outside of the GE?
Because the thing you lack when you're looking back is the pressure, the feel that you have to act
Yeah everything is clearer when you're looking at the past
-Streetlight Manifesto

12-Jan-2015 22:08:20

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Mod Ash said :
The game can send limited information cross-world. Such as six slots of:
- item type
- item quantity
- desired price
- quantity already sold.
Obviously that's why a trading post or GE can work at all.

However, we can't send more detailed information such as " Player X is standing in the west Falador bank on w313 and wishes to take 1000 of the 2000 fire runes being sold by Player Y who's on w301 ".

When you buy through a GE, the game isn't trying to match your buy offer with any specific player's sell offer. It just matches items based on price, etc. To make the Trading Post go cross-world while still caring whose items you're buying , we'd need to get the Engine team to change that. I gather from them that this is a pretty big challenge for them. That's a shame. It seems like what would be the best option (cross-world trading post that retains player interaction and avoids price manipulation, but doesn't require hopping/inputting bank pin every time you buy an item) would be the most challenging to implement, and as a result, isn't being considered as seriously as it should be.
Mod Ash said :
So if that's what you want, you may as well vote for a GE. I really don't think so. The G.E. will drastically affect the economy of the game, which will have consequences I'm not sure we're prepared for. Even if it would take a few months of development time to make the trading post fully functional (i.e. cross-world, item owner-specific), a longer lifespan for the game will have been preserved, as compared to the stagnation of no update at all or the bad effects of GE.
Mod Ash said :
And in future maybe we'd be able to get enough of the engine team's help to make it go cross-world, though we aren't promising that right now. Please do everything you can to make it happen. I can assure you that the effort will not go unappreciated.

12-Jan-2015 22:08:24

St8hunter
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Warchief X said :
St8hunter said :
Warchief X said :

Alright, here's something you cannot deny about the implementation of the Grand Exchange..

If you do not merchant via the Grand Exchange and take advantage of the flaws it brings you will not be as successful as someone who does. The amount of money to be made off the Grand Exchange via merching is ridiculous and is more than you will make off any other skill and the effort is minimal. Is that proper? For something that has no requirements and doesn't require you to stay online often to make the most money? Id possibly support the GE if they'd mention whats in next weeks poll however they don't. We're literally voting in this poll going blindfolded without knowing what tweaks they want to bring up in the poll they have planned for

I didnt even understand your first sentence. Anyways, I think you are trying to say that people will make ridiculous amount of money off GE with minimal effort?
-If flipping in GE will make you "ridiculous" amount of money, then guess what will happen? everyone will start flipping. Once everyone start flipping, then what happens? the buying and selling range will become smaller and smaller to the point that its not "ridiculous" anymore.

Also, to prevent people from hoarding items, Jagex will set limit on items u can buy, which will prevent people from buying a ridiculous amount while they are offline. Also, your offers will be easily replaced by higher offers in ge.. U can be offline for 10 hours and only get a few of the items you want to merc*

Yup and by the time that happens everyone will have a giant cashpile in their bank gg[/quote]

Ya, why dont u take advantage of that and make that giant cashpile?[/quote]

I will ;) GE is too easy to abuse

12-Jan-2015 22:10:13

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'I didnt even understand your first sentence. Anyways, I think you are trying to say that people will make ridiculous amount of money off GE with minimal effort?
-If flipping in GE will make you "ridiculous" amount of money, then guess what will happen? everyone will start flipping. Once everyone start flipping, then what happens? the buying and selling range will become smaller and smaller to the point that its not "ridiculous" anymore.

Also, to prevent people from hoarding items, Jagex will set limit on items u can buy, which will prevent people from buying a ridiculous amount while they are offline. Also, your offers will be easily replaced by higher offers in ge.. U can be offline for 10 hours and only get a few of the items you want to merc*'

You definitely did not understand the point I was trying to get across. I'll put it into simpler terms so you can understand:

Log on Runescape, manage buy/sell offers on items, log out & come back in an hour. Takes 5 minutes of effort, makes X amount of money.

Log on Runescape, go on adventures and train skills like you're meant to that requires you to invest time/money in the game. Takes an hour of effort, make Y amount of money.

Y being less than X.

Should you really be rewarded for taking advantage of a flawed system and make more money than someone who actually plays the game/puts more time into playing the game and playing it how it was meant to be played? Probably not. But it will be.

12-Jan-2015 22:10:49

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