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Gabriel1

Gabriel1

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I think jagex fails to understand how a runescape player thinks. Just like they did when they implemented EOC to the main game.

For me F2P is part of runescape and because of this I've always felt like there is something missing in the game. I've taken a break several times to wait for them to implement F2P until I start playing again (Not that I will play F2P).

Also, a lot of people like F2P PKing but because the game is mainly P2P, nobody really PKs in "F2P" worlds and people don't make F2P PK accounts just in hopes to find someone PKing in those worlds. I guess these kinds of players don't play at all. If they did implement F2P to the game, there would be a lot of F2P PKers in F2P worlds and I believe a lot of the people would make their accounts P2P to get money and levels easier to PK in F2P worlds.

24-Jul-2014 08:54:14

The Grim One

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I find it disappointing that full F2P isn't going to be in for a while, if ever. However I understand why the OSRS team made this decision. I will say I made quite a few friends who just joined OldSchool for the first time because of the trial though! It's good that people are still joining Oldschool. It means we'll keep a balance/growing community for the foreseeable future. I hope one day (soon) that you'll be able to implement it properly. ;)

24-Jul-2014 09:22:38

lIlIllllIlIl

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I think jagex fails to understand how a runescape player thinks. Just like they did when they implemented EOC to the main game.

For me F2P is part of runescape and because of this I've always felt like there is something missing in the game. I've taken a break several times to wait for them to implement F2P until I start playing again (Not that I will play F2P).

Also, a lot of people like F2P PKing but because the game is mainly P2P, nobody really PKs in "F2P" worlds and people don't make F2P PK accounts just in hopes to find someone PKing in those worlds. I guess these kinds of players don't play at all. If they did implement F2P to the game, there would be a lot of F2P PKers in F2P worlds and I believe a lot of the people would make their accounts P2P to get money and levels easier to PK in F2P worlds.
I couldn't have said it any better.

Jagex, you know OSRS is all about PKing. People want to make specialized pkers for f2p if there's actually people playing in the f2p part of the game. Because gamers strive to be the best we all want to get the best gear, best skills at a fast rate. And the only way of doing this is to train/grind in p2p.

Change your vision please.

Heck, just ask your community in a poll if f2p should be permanent or not. Just do it, watch the results and rethink about it afterwards.
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24-Jul-2014 09:39:44

Mod Mat K

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There are a few people that are saying that as the trial has been successful, we should launch a full version of F2P. When we have launched the F2P trial we saw an immediate reduction of 30% in accounts becoming members who could take advantage of the trial. The amount of accounts we were risking was relatively small as we were only risking new accounts to the game. Fortunately during the trial, the extra traffic caused us to have a net gain. The data we collected throughout the trial suggests that the length of the trial is about right as the F2P -> P2Pconversion is high and most of those who converted to members did so in the first week.

The key points to take away here are that we were only looking at new to game accounts, most who subbed did so in the first week and the potential amount of the player base who change their behaviour based on membership changes is 30%.

When we look at a full F2P option there are some conclusions we can make; firstly the full option is unlikely to bring any more accounts to game than the two week trial. We know this because of the high conversion rate and the distribution of when these people converted during the trial. Secondly, we are giving every member of the player base to play a F2P option, if the percentages stay the same we risk losing 60k members.

So as things stand, the data tells us that a full F2P option risks 60k members and is unlikely to bring in any more accounts than a two week trial. Now, neither you or us want to lose 60k members in a short period of time as the impact on the team and game is catastrophic.

Of course, the data may well be misleading so we want to check it, this is why we are opening the trial to even more people (90 day lapsed members). We can look at the data we get from that and see if that confirms or contradicts what we are seeing.

It's a journey guys and we are trying to be as open with you about it as possible, even if what we are saying isn't something you want to hear. The worse thing we can do is to keep you in the dark because the news isn't something you would like. That's not how we roll.

24-Jul-2014 09:55:21

Rawrylol

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So as things stand, the data tells us that a full F2P option risks 60k members and is unlikely to bring in any more accounts than a two week trial. Now, neither you or us want to lose 60k members in a short period of time as the impact on the team and game is catastrophic.



Wait, what? You've said that the 30% relates to a reduction in accounts that buy membership, not the amount of accounts that cancel membership. I'm not sure how the two are interchangeable?

24-Jul-2014 09:59:09

Mod Mat K

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So as things stand, the data tells us that a full F2P option risks 60k members and is unlikely to bring in any more accounts than a two week trial. Now, neither you or us want to lose 60k members in a short period of time as the impact on the team and game is catastrophic.



Wait, what? You've said that the 30% relates to a reduction in accounts that buy membership, not the amount of accounts that cancel membership. I'm not sure how the two are interchangeable?


It gives an indication of the amount of players that make decisions based on changes to membership. As I said in the post, we want to check the data we have which is why we have moved to the next stage of the trial.

24-Jul-2014 10:07:00

Lord Speed

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Mat, I know this is completely irrelevant to F2p and deals with bonds but I was wondering if you could address a concern of mine. You said in a prior post that you don't want to leave any of us in the dark. Do you think you could be rather forthright in addressing to what extent we could see micro-transactions in OSRS? I could be a little misguided in thinking that something like bonds could open the door for something similar to SoF in the future. Does that possibility exist?

24-Jul-2014 10:16:29

Gabriel1

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I know it's a lot to ask but you should consider running F2P with limited worlds for a whole year (I personally wouldn't mind if you replaced some of the P2P worlds with F2P as they aren't really populated anyways). You took big risk with implementing EOC to RS and because of this you lost a lot of subscribers. I don't think consequences will be as bad as EOC and I think it will rather positive than negative.

24-Jul-2014 10:27:43

Rawrylol

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It gives an indication of the amount of players that make decisions based on changes to membership. As I said in the post, we want to check the data we have which is why we have moved to the next stage of the trial.


Hmm I guess that makes sense.

One last point from me: have you thought about moving away from a time based trial? I think a level cap trial would be much more beneficial as it would still allow low level F2P accounts for PKing, but the majority of accounts coming into F2P would still experience a trial and convert to members at the end of it.

24-Jul-2014 10:33:13

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