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Hi_Im_Mobbin

Hi_Im_Mobbin

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LegsDay said :
oh ok so in order to make money pking i'd have to get 70 def+ ? so sub 70 def pures are bound to 0 profit pking? so when you go corp you risk maybe what 5M if you die at the chance of 1bil drop?

I don't see a problem with that.[/quote]


One might invest 500-1000 hours on average trying to get their own elysian or divine shield from Corp...

25-Jul-2014 15:20:48

Formerly Joy

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LegsDay:

I am 43 Combat at 99 Defence. I am able to vouch for this: If you are going to make a restricted account, that is your decision to do so. We should not cater content because it would not include a pure. As stated, they made the very conscious decision to restrict their accounts as such. Many of them also have mains.

25-Jul-2014 15:20:55

Scrodum

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1uz 6 speed said :
Scrodum said :
Here's what I think.

If the game isn't ready for spirit shields as they were, or very close to as they were in 2008, I think corp should just be postponed until the community is ready. LIKE YOU STATED in the first post, GWD items were added, there will come a time where we eventually need higher hear defensive items anyway. Why not do it with spirit shields which were SO POPULAR pre-EOC!?

Divines, elysians, spectrals, and arcanes were powerful upon release but I NEVER recall any time where the community was against them for being too good.

of course because back then they were not the only overpowered items, there was plenty other OP stuff to go around so it was considered "normal" back then to have gear of that power

What else was there that was "OP" when they were released?... It was released in 2008, right?

This community throws around the word OP too much, just like before GWD people were calling it OP. Gwd isn't OP, nor are spirit shields.
I understand the community is extremely scared this game will become a slippery slope but if you read the first post they'll take this super slow and release good gear in very long intervals.

So, like I said before, release spirit shields as they were (or close to it)... Or re poll it in a year.

25-Jul-2014 15:21:13 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2014 15:35:43 by Scrodum

Mrs iVi

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Hello! Great to see such an amazing activity such as corp coming back to what the great game has now turned into!!

I have a few idea's on the spirit shields in mind on how they could be, including a new kind :P (I always wanted to see a red spirit shield)

Now it seems that everyone who want these spirit shields are mainly PvMers, Of course as myself i do to. The main shield we like is obviously the divine. Its the divine shield people are worried about oh will it be to powerful and all this ect. This is why we have these kinds of discussions.

If i remember correctly the divine reduced damage 35%, 100% of the time? whilst taking a percentage of the wielders prayer. And i'm sure Elyisian took 25% damage reduction 75% of the time? - This i think may be a tad overpowered but then... think of it like this? We dont have soulsplit/turmiol, We don't have overloads. We don't have summoning. So is it really overpowered?

Anyway, here is my proposal on what i think the poll should include:
1# All spirit shields to keep their original stats?
2# Should the Divine/Elysian's abilities be halved?
3# Should the shields be allowed in PvP?
I think a discussion should be opened purposely for the divine/elysian stat discussion.

And lastly, I have a proposal to bring out a 5th spirit shield to the family. The Ethereal Spirit Shield, A red shield consisting of a Star icon as the sigil, Used purposely for Prayer bonus with a hidden ability to use less prayer whilst in combat. ( Does not work out of combat) It may sound silly, But to me that's not overpowered at all, (Kind of like the Soul Wars capes but with a hidden bonus)

Thanks for reading, Don't be quick to criticize, think about it :P

25-Jul-2014 15:21:23

Pix869
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If you guys decide to have new armor drop, then please take this opportunity to include the skills specifically designed to create armor: smithing and crafting. Perhaps the spirit shield can drop in a damaged state, and to render them useable requires smithing or crafting or both in the 90s (with both damaged and repaired versions being tradable).

25-Jul-2014 15:24:04 - Last edited on 05-Jul-2020 04:56:28 by Pix869

Runite

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Mod Reach said :
It's important to note that are some point, we do need to move forward with weapons and armours. We WILL NOT look to make a giant leap from our current best in slot gear every few months, instead gradually or even yearly introduce something new. Not implementing new armours will eventually bring us to a stalemate one day with everyone equipped in the best available gear - we do need to move on and slowly introduce newer, better weapons and armours at a pace you decide.

This is not a leap towards EoC or Pre-EoC over powered weaponry. We'll look to do this on your terms, at your pace.

Can you please explain this logic further? As someone who has PKed for the past ~9 years I don't see it.

Specifically, the "Stalemate" you talk about. In your hypothetical scenario is everyone in the game maxed combat with maxed gear? That'll never happen.. And typically most people with maxed stats have maxed gear. Introducing more powerful gear won't change that, it just increases max hits. And it's not like people are out PKing in full max gear etc anyways, and even if they were then I fail to see the problem.

I'm also worried at the tone you used when talking about this, as if it's a requirement for the game saying that "we do need to move forward with better armor\weps" - what "we do" need to do should be completely up to what people vote for, not what you decide.

We may not be "leaping" to pre-eoc status of overpowered weapons, but the fact you're actually considering adding spirit shields as they were in 08 is worrying and would seem to contradict that. I worry about what this game will look like in 2-3 years if we've pumped so many things into the game just a little over a year of it being up.

25-Jul-2014 15:24:51 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2014 15:29:28 by Runite

Rolex GMT

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Maybe make it the first time you enter the cave you need to drink a Bravery Potion (From Legend's Quest) and then once you're in you need to cut and burn through some trees, mine some rocks etc. to permanently unlock access to the beast

25-Jul-2014 15:26:08

1uz 6 speed
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1uz 6 speed

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Hi_Im_Mobbin said :
LegsDay said :
oh ok so in order to make money pking i'd have to get 70 def+ ? so sub 70 def pures are bound to 0 profit pking? so when you go corp you risk maybe what 5M if you die at the chance of 1bil drop?

I don't see a problem with that.


One might invest 500-1000 hours on average trying to get their own elysian or divine shield from Corp...[/quote]

Oh ok i get it ... you get to decide who worked hard and who did not i see... He might also invest only 5 hours and get his divine , is that hard work aswell? why should he get divine after 5 hours then, so unfair to the one that spent 1000 hour getting his :/

25-Jul-2014 15:26:22 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2014 15:27:13 by 1uz 6 speed

Scrodum

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I also mentioned id be for a compromise if the shields are only changed slightly. By that I mean arcane/spectral should stay the same. They were not even too strong.

Elysian I think was perfect. 25% of hits, the effect doesn't work.

Divine was a 30% soak 100% of the time. That could be reduced to 25%, or the prayer drain slightly Increased? I'd be for that.


These aren't "OP" shields. They make defense useful.
Gwd was too OP too, and who's complaining about GWD now??

25-Jul-2014 15:27:18 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2014 15:29:03 by Scrodum

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