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Miu

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Dilbert2001 said :
Miu said :
My post had nothing to do with OSRS, nor did it mention OSRS. Nice strawman though. Keep arguing with claims that people haven't made. It'll get you far.


Your other posts obviously talked about OSRS. Just check the last page.
I... don't have any posts on the last page? My last post on this thread was over a month ago. Cut it out with your nonsensical claims.

Dilbert2001 said :
If you don't want to talk about OSRS in this thread, you should not have to mention it. In fact, you mentioned OSRS numerous time. Don't expect the almost 270 mil Jagex players are so dumb to not see Bond, the MTX, also exist in OSRS and is "being used as a cash cow to subsidize Jagex's other projects". :D


No one claimed bonds (or MTX) don't exist in OSRS, so once again you're arguing with no one but strawmen you've constructed. But if you believe that OSRS is subsidizing other Jagex games, you're essentially saying that OSRS is generating more revenue than RS3 in spite of the aggressive MTX policies in RS3.

Just a reminder for you, because you seem to have difficulty comprehending this, this isn't a competition between games. I'm not asking for bonds or solomon's to be removed from RS3, just Treasure Hunter, which is a direct form of selling XP through predatory means. By selling XP in this manner, it reduces gameplay into something you can pay to skip. Bonds contribute to this issue, but that can be worked around by making sure that endgame armor and such is untradeable.
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24-Apr-2019 03:17:31

Dilbert2001
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Miu, you last post on Page 86 was what I meant. You clearly talked about OSRS. Trying to compare RS3 to OSRS then uh oh.... I don't want to talk about OSRS's revenue being used to fund other Jagex's project...no no... it is not... only RS3's revenue is being used to fund other Jagex's project... Now that's really nonsensical claims. :D :D :D :D :D :D

I am just quoting your sentence
"Right now RS3 is just being used as a cash cow to subsidize Jagex's other new projects which always inevitably end in failure"
and tell you the exact same thing only with RS3 being replaced by OSRS. There is absolutely no telling on whether RS3 is making more revenue than OSRS or the other way around, unless you admit you meant RS3 is generating more revneue than OSRS to begin with. :D :D :D

Factually, Jagex is using their own money made from both RS3 and OSRS to fund new projects but so what? It is their money. They can spend on whatever they want. Why can't they use money they make from TH to fund other projects but using money they made from Bond is OK? :D :D :D

24-Apr-2019 04:21:47

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Dilbert2001 said :
Miu, you last post on Page 86 was what I meant. You clearly talked about OSRS. Trying to compare RS3 to OSRS then uh oh.... I don't want to talk about OSRS's revenue being used to fund other Jagex's project...no no... it is not... only RS3's revenue is being used to fund other Jagex's project... Now that's really nonsensical claims.
My post from over a month ago. No, I never claimed that OSRS wasn't funding Jagex's other games as well. Again, you're arguing with strawmen and claims that no one has made.

Dilbert2001 said :
I am just quoting your sentence
"Right now RS3 is just being used as a cash cow to subsidize Jagex's other new projects which always inevitably end in failure"
and tell you the exact same thing only with RS3 being replaced by OSRS.
You're completely missing the point. OSRS is a low cost game with a small amount of developers and receives a healthy amount of updates. Dilbert2001 said :
There is absolutely no telling on whether RS3 is making more revenue than OSRS or the other way around, unless you admit you meant RS3 is generating more revneue than OSRS to begin with.
With all the MTX and developers, I sure hope RS3 is generating more revenue.
Dilbert2001 said :
Factually, Jagex is using their own money made from both RS3 and OSRS to fund new projects but so what? It is their money. They can spend on whatever they want. Why can't they use money they make from TH to fund other projects but using money they made from Bond is OK?
What you don't seem to understand is that that money isn't going back into RS3. Bonds don't have new promotions every week taking dev time and developers. And yet in spite of this monetization scheme, RS3 update quality and quantity has only decreased. TH is harming the game to subsidize failures of other games.
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24-Apr-2019 13:58:13

Dilbert2001
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Revenue from TH is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from Bond is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from other MTX like RC is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from membership is also Jagex's revenue.

Revenue from RS3 is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from OSRS is also Jagex's revenue.

Jagex, of course, can use their revenue on any of their new projects. If they did not use their revenue from RS3 on OSRS, there would not be OSRS now.

Why TH has to be removed but not Bond, RC or membership from both RS3 and OSRS, just because Jagex is spending their revenue from not just TH but also Bond, RC and membership on other projects?

24-Apr-2019 16:36:50

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Dilbert2001 said :
Revenue from TH is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from Bond is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from other MTX like RC is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from membership is also Jagex's revenue.

Revenue from RS3 is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from OSRS is also Jagex's revenue.

Jagex, of course, can use their revenue on any of their new projects. If they did not use their revenue from RS3 on OSRS, there would not be OSRS now.

Why TH has to be removed but not Bond, RC or membership from both RS3 and OSRS, just because Jagex is spending their revenue from not just TH but also Bond, RC and membership on other projects?


None of those other monetization models compromise the integrity of the game in the same way that Treasure Hunter does. And in compromising the integrity of the game it limits the growth of its population. And despite reaching record profits, updates for RS3 have been subpar in both quantity and quality.

If all you care about is Jagex's revenue at the expense of the quality of the game, then there's nothing more for me to discuss with you. That's your opinion and you can keep it.
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25-Apr-2019 00:44:20

Dilbert2001
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Miu said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Revenue from TH is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from Bond is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from other MTX like RC is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from membership is also Jagex's revenue.

Revenue from RS3 is Jagex's revenue.
Revenue from OSRS is also Jagex's revenue.

Jagex, of course, can use their revenue on any of their new projects. If they did not use their revenue from RS3 on OSRS, there would not be OSRS now.

Why TH has to be removed but not Bond, RC or membership from both RS3 and OSRS, just because Jagex is spending their revenue from not just TH but also Bond, RC and membership on other projects?


None of those other monetization models compromise the integrity of the game in the same way that Treasure Hunter does. And in compromising the integrity of the game it limits the growth of its population. And despite reaching record profits, updates for RS3 have been subpar in both quantity and quality.

If all you care about is Jagex's revenue at the expense of the quality of the game, then there's nothing more for me to discuss with you. That's your opinion and you can keep it.


What does this have to do with using Jagex's revenue to fund their other game developments?

Remember on Page 89, Post 5 you wrote:

"Except the game that actually has the MTX. Right now RS3 is just being used as a cash cow to subsidize Jagex's other new projects which always inevitably end in failure. Treasure Hunter pays for trash like Chronicle while all that money never gets invested back into the game that "earned" that money in the first place. If RS3 actually had more updates than patch weeks for the past year, I doubt people would be complaining as much."


So you can't find any reason why TH can't pay for other Jagex projects but other monetization like Bond and membership can, and you want to change the topic? If that's the case, I don't have any problem.

25-Apr-2019 01:15:37

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Osrs developers are morons losing out on millions of dollars not having th. Osrs has been out for 6 years already. If they had treasure hunter in osrs 6 years ago they could have made millions. They decided not to. I guess that makes them idiots.

25-Apr-2019 02:35:56

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Dilbert2001 said :
What does this have to do with using Jagex's revenue to fund their other game developments?
How many times do I have to repeat myself? The money isn't going towards bettering RS3. So not only is the MTX harming RS3, the revenue that RS3 is earning isn't being reinvested into the game, leading to stagnation. (Or if the money is being put back into RS3, it certainly isn't showing.)
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25-Apr-2019 16:46:00

Dilbert2001
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Miu said :
Dilbert2001 said :
What does this have to do with using Jagex's revenue to fund their other game developments?
How many times do I have to repeat myself? The money isn't going towards bettering RS3. So not only is the MTX harming RS3, the revenue that RS3 is earning isn't being reinvested into the game, leading to stagnation. (Or if the money is being put back into RS3, it certainly isn't showing.)


How many times do I have to tell you even without TH Jagex will still use their revenue from Bond and membership from both RS3 and OSRS to fund their other projects.

Don't tell me Jagex did not spend their revenue to fund Funorb many years before SoF was released. :D :D :D

It is Jagex's money they made from all sources from their games, RS3, OSRS and others, and that money doesn't solely come from TH or MTX.

25-Apr-2019 19:16:11

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