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Tom Grey
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My definition because it was MY point. Read it again. Osrs has more players thus it is strange that they are not bombarded by mtx, because it would make more commercial sense. Why make x amount of money when you can make 4x by putting micro transactions into osrs? But it’s actually the other way around. Rs3 has less active play because it is bombarded by mtx, whether you want to admit it or not.
OSRS is not bombarded by MTX? Then how come their players dropped from 150k to 110k?
My definition because it was MY point. Read it again. Osrs has more players thus it is strange that they are not bombarded by mtx, because it would make more commercial sense. Why make x amount of money when you can make 4x by putting micro transactions into osrs? But it’s actually the other way around. Rs3 has less active play because it is bombarded by mtx, whether you want to admit it or not.
OSRS is not bombarded by MTX? Then how come their players dropped from 150k to 110k?
10-Mar-2019 22:25:24
Tom Grey
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It was 110k before mobile release. Went up to 150k due to hype. Now people realised that mobile was a dumb idea, so numbers fell back to 110k. Nothing to do with mtx. Any more great questions?
So the RS3 number must have everything to do with MTX but OSRS numbers must have nothing to do with MTX. Very "interesting" logic.
It was 110k before mobile release. Went up to 150k due to hype. Now people realised that mobile was a dumb idea, so numbers fell back to 110k. Nothing to do with mtx. Any more great questions?
So the RS3 number must have everything to do with MTX but OSRS numbers must have nothing to do with MTX. Very "interesting" logic.
10-Mar-2019 23:04:04
Dilbert2001
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Tom Grey said :
It was 110k before mobile release. Went up to 150k due to hype. Now people realised that mobile was a dumb idea, so numbers fell back to 110k. Nothing to do with mtx. Any more great questions?
So the RS3 number must have everything to do with MTX but OSRS numbers must have nothing to do with MTX. Very "interesting" logic.
Dont change the topic with some stupid “interesting logic”. Osrs has more players, regardless if you think it’s mtx related or not, that’s fact number 1. Osrs doesn’t have any form of mtx apart from bonds, that’s a fact number 2. Runescape 3 has th, Solomon store, runemetrics, mtx featured events, and occasional runepass fiasco, that’s fact number 3.
Now, your argument is that other games have players and mtx = profit. I show you that osrs doesn’t have heavy mtx as rs3, and it’s performing better. Are you going to deny that that is the case?
Tom Grey said :
It was 110k before mobile release. Went up to 150k due to hype. Now people realised that mobile was a dumb idea, so numbers fell back to 110k. Nothing to do with mtx. Any more great questions?
So the RS3 number must have everything to do with MTX but OSRS numbers must have nothing to do with MTX. Very "interesting" logic.
Dont change the topic with some stupid “interesting logic”. Osrs has more players, regardless if you think it’s mtx related or not, that’s fact number 1. Osrs doesn’t have any form of mtx apart from bonds, that’s a fact number 2. Runescape 3 has th, Solomon store, runemetrics, mtx featured events, and occasional runepass fiasco, that’s fact number 3.
Now, your argument is that other games have players and mtx = profit. I show you that osrs doesn’t have heavy mtx as rs3, and it’s performing better. Are you going to deny that that is the case?
10-Mar-2019 23:46:19
Tom Grey
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Dilbert2001 said :
Tom Grey said :
It was 110k before mobile release. Went up to 150k due to hype. Now people realised that mobile was a dumb idea, so numbers fell back to 110k. Nothing to do with mtx. Any more great questions?
So the RS3 number must have everything to do with MTX but OSRS numbers must have nothing to do with MTX. Very "interesting" logic.
Dont change the topic with some stupid “interesting logic”. Osrs has more players, regardless if you think it’s mtx related or not, that’s fact number 1. Osrs doesn’t have any form of mtx apart from bonds, that’s a fact number 2. Runescape 3 has th, Solomon store, runemetrics, mtx featured events, and occasional runepass fiasco, that’s fact number 3.
Now, your argument is that other games have players and mtx = profit. I show you that osrs doesn’t have heavy mtx as rs3, and it’s performing better. Are you going to deny that that is the case?
Don't change the topic that OSRS is nosediving in players but RS3 is going up?. And don't change the topic that you have yet to provide a reason why MTX (or lack of besides bond) doesn't affect the heavy bleeding of OSRS players? And don't change the topic why RS3 players are going up despite of continuous MTX?
And more importantly, don't change the topic that MTX gave Jagex more money than subscription, and don't change the topic that TH is the best selling MTX for Jagex.
And don't change the topic that players are paying for TH regardless, so no reason for Jagex to remove their best source of revenue.
Dilbert2001 said :
Tom Grey said :
It was 110k before mobile release. Went up to 150k due to hype. Now people realised that mobile was a dumb idea, so numbers fell back to 110k. Nothing to do with mtx. Any more great questions?
So the RS3 number must have everything to do with MTX but OSRS numbers must have nothing to do with MTX. Very "interesting" logic.
Dont change the topic with some stupid “interesting logic”. Osrs has more players, regardless if you think it’s mtx related or not, that’s fact number 1. Osrs doesn’t have any form of mtx apart from bonds, that’s a fact number 2. Runescape 3 has th, Solomon store, runemetrics, mtx featured events, and occasional runepass fiasco, that’s fact number 3.
Now, your argument is that other games have players and mtx = profit. I show you that osrs doesn’t have heavy mtx as rs3, and it’s performing better. Are you going to deny that that is the case?
Don't change the topic that OSRS is nosediving in players but RS3 is going up?. And don't change the topic that you have yet to provide a reason why MTX (or lack of besides bond) doesn't affect the heavy bleeding of OSRS players? And don't change the topic why RS3 players are going up despite of continuous MTX?
And more importantly, don't change the topic that MTX gave Jagex more money than subscription, and don't change the topic that TH is the best selling MTX for Jagex.
And don't change the topic that players are paying for TH regardless, so no reason for Jagex to remove their best source of revenue.
11-Mar-2019 00:12:30 - Last edited on 11-Mar-2019 00:32:52 by Dilbert2001
Miu
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Fortunately, Jagex has finally provided us with some evidence
And we can finally put to rest some faulty assumptions some have used to argue that RS3 somehow has a higher playerbase than OSRS.
http://file.finance.sina.com.cn/211.154.219.97:9494/MRGG/CNSESH_STOCK/2018/2018-6/2018-06-02/4491886.PDF
According to this, both runescapes have a total of ~765,400 members.
According to the Runefest OSRS presentation, OSRS has 550,000 members.
OSRS accounts for 70% of the total membership.
RS3 accounts for 30%.
94k concurrent players total as of right now.
68k on OSRS. 26k RS3.
72% of the concurrent playercount is OSRS.
28% of the concurrent playercount is RS3.
Is this consistent with our findings using the active playercount? Absolutely, a margin of difference of only 2%, which could be attributed to bots if you wish.
So
Why?
Probably TH. You can debate that. But you can no longer believe or debate that RS3 somehow is more popular through pitiful mental gymnastics, lest you ignore mod rowley and the rest of Jagex
Just gonna bring this up again since Dilbert is attempting to deflect about OSRS's higher membership / playerbase / concurrent players again.
OSRS is more popular by every metric, except spending real money for experience.
OSRS concurrent playerbase is in decline, but it's still higher than RS3. OSRS having rampant glitches and oversights and unbalanced updates is a shame. But it's not the subject of this thread. The point is to make RS3 a better game, because we actually care about it. And removal of gameplay-impacting MTX is probably the best thing you could do for it.
Fortunately, Jagex has finally provided us with some evidence
And we can finally put to rest some faulty assumptions some have used to argue that RS3 somehow has a higher playerbase than OSRS.
http://file.finance.sina.com.cn/211.154.219.97:9494/MRGG/CNSESH_STOCK/2018/2018-6/2018-06-02/4491886.PDF
According to this, both runescapes have a total of ~765,400 members.
According to the Runefest OSRS presentation, OSRS has 550,000 members.
OSRS accounts for 70% of the total membership.
RS3 accounts for 30%.
94k concurrent players total as of right now.
68k on OSRS. 26k RS3.
72% of the concurrent playercount is OSRS.
28% of the concurrent playercount is RS3.
Is this consistent with our findings using the active playercount? Absolutely, a margin of difference of only 2%, which could be attributed to bots if you wish.
So
70% of the playerbase is OSRS
in both concurrent playerbase and in total subscribers.
But only 30% RS3?
Why?
Probably TH. You can debate that. But you can no longer believe or debate that RS3 somehow is more popular through pitiful mental gymnastics, lest you ignore mod rowley and the rest of Jagex
Just gonna bring this up again since Dilbert is attempting to deflect about OSRS's higher membership / playerbase / concurrent players again.
OSRS is more popular by every metric, except spending real money for experience.
OSRS concurrent playerbase is in decline, but it's still higher than RS3. OSRS having rampant glitches and oversights and unbalanced updates is a shame. But it's not the subject of this thread. The point is to make RS3 a better game, because we actually care about it. And removal of gameplay-impacting MTX is probably the best thing you could do for it.
Don't forget – RuneScape members get
TWO free spins
a day instead of the usual one!
24-Mar-2019 08:38:19
Concurrent "players" hardly mean the actual player base and anything meaningful to a company's, Jagex's included, financial data. Even a Jmod has clearly stated that and there have been numerous posts showing "concurrent players" of various games don't mean a thing to their actual revenue/profits comparing to their peers already.
I don't know why somebody still trying to bring up OSRS in one hand, while keep crying this thread is about "the point is to make RS3 a better game". If such person/people really want to talk about making RS3 a better game, it is already a better than since it is a lot more profitable than most of its peer.
Without RS3, Jagex won't be making as much, if any, money, and certainly can't afford to hire 100+ employees just last year.
Seeing is believing. Seeing real world data but not just virtual twisted bows spawning everywhere and virtual coin pouches turning into max gp for a selected few every month is more than believing. Thanks to TH and MTX, Jagex is able to put top notch anti-cheating software and professional staff to ensure the integrity of RS3. More importantly, thanks to TH and MTX, RS3 players don't have to go to other games like WoW to beg for attention.
I don't know why somebody still trying to bring up OSRS in one hand, while keep crying this thread is about "the point is to make RS3 a better game". If such person/people really want to talk about making RS3 a better game, it is already a better than since it is a lot more profitable than most of its peer.
Without RS3, Jagex won't be making as much, if any, money, and certainly can't afford to hire 100+ employees just last year.
Seeing is believing. Seeing real world data but not just virtual twisted bows spawning everywhere and virtual coin pouches turning into max gp for a selected few every month is more than believing. Thanks to TH and MTX, Jagex is able to put top notch anti-cheating software and professional staff to ensure the integrity of RS3. More importantly, thanks to TH and MTX, RS3 players don't have to go to other games like WoW to beg for attention.
24-Mar-2019 14:20:15
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