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Dilbert2001
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@NinjaofPie

Please show the official Jagex response that people got 60m-150m in bexp gained from the recent 75% stars sales in oddment store.

You can't tell people not to reply in these RSOF run and owned by Jagex, especially when they are posting constructive comments. Thanks you for you understanding.

16-Sep-2020 18:54:54

Aslon Dak

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Dilbert2001 said :
Aslon Dak said :
Dilbert2001 said :
All but perhaps 4 of these exploiters are probably unbannned after the specified 3 and 14 day periods already. Everything is just business as usual for Jagex and gaming as usual for players. That's the "extent" of this exploit - NOTHING!


That's the problem, though. These sort of exploits should not be shrugged off as "business as usual". Neither should botting or real world trading.

Yes, Jagex rolled back some accounts, as they should have...but do they really know for sure they caught every player who benefitted from this exploit? Some were more obvious with their greed than others. How about the ones who may have used their ill-gotten keys for lamps, stars, antique chests, and quite a number of other rewards which might not have attracted much attention individually, but together could've amounted to quite the haul? Does Jagex know they tracked down and punished every exploiter? I'm sure they'd like to believe they did, and maybe they truly did. Maybe.

Just because some players gamed the system and had their unfair gains removed does not change the extent of the harm P2W has done, and continues to do, to RuneScape.

It's called game integrity...and it's not nothing.


Exploiters are punished as usual, regardless there is any P2W factors involved.

Bonds are the most P2W items in the game, but buying bonds with real money and instantly obtain the Bis Eldritch Crossbow or Harmonised Orb aren't exploits at all.

Please make sure you know what are exploits first.


Bonds and other MTX are not exploits. I never said they were. P2W need not be an exploit to unbalance the game. You provided two examples of how this can be done.

Please make sure you read and understand what you are replying to.
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19-Sep-2020 21:40:07

Aslon Dak

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Dilbert2001 said :
Aslon Dak said :
Miu said :
Wasting Jagex manhours in the midst of a pandemic is far from nothing. Then again, it's their fault for allowing these overpowered forms of pay2win to persist in the first place, let alone have promotions overlap.


Agreed.

Back in the day, Jagex policy was that a player's real-world financial status should not affect their in-game status. Sadly, that Jagex does not exist any more. The company ran away from that belief in game integrity long ago.


Pay to win has nothing to do with MTX abuse as bonds exist in Jagex games for at least 7 years now. But Pay to win is not MTX abuse and therefore not what this thread is about. Thank you for your understanding.


Some players would say any MTX is game abuse. While I personally don't go quite that far, I do agree with the basic sentiment that XP should be earned, not bought.

Bonds can be redeemed for TH keys, and we know bonds are P2W. Therefore, it is not correct that P2W "has nothing to do with MTX abuse". No, using bonds isn't the only way to buy TH keys. Players can buy key packages for real-world cash. They can also spend oddments on TH keys, which is the topic of this thread. However, it would not be accurate to state players couldn't also use bonds to buy keys, then use those keys to exploit a promo like Loot Duels in order to gain oddments to be converted to more TH keys, collecting XP items along the way as well.

Thank you for understanding, if you do.
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19-Sep-2020 22:16:03

Draco Burnz
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Dilbert2001 said :
@NinjaofPie

Please show the official Jagex response that people got 60m-150m in bexp gained from the recent 75% stars sales in oddment store.

You can't tell people not to reply in these RSOF run and owned by Jagex, especially when they are posting constructive comments. Thanks you for you understanding.


I would like to know where this is stated as well.
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20-Sep-2020 12:02:06

Aslon Dak

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That's not what I've been saying. Try to keep up.

Bug abuse is a problem. How big a problem it is can be debated. Clearly, in this instance Jagex thought there was enough abuse for them to take action against those who exploited this TH promotion. It wasn't the first time players found a way to exploit TH.

The moment the ability to buy spins/keys for Treasure Hunter, it became P2W. Bonds are also P2W, and players can use bonds for TH keys. Of course, keys can also be bought directly, or earned through gameplay.

Sure, the exploiters could've started off with a couple of daily and earned TH keys. However, unless they were extremely lucky with those initial keys, it is much more likely - certainly easier - for the exploiters to have started their promo abuse using keys they bought, whether they used bonds, oddments, or cash to make the initial purchases. Any way you slice it, that comes down to MTX and P2W. Yes, it's possible they just had a lot of oddments on hand, and used them to buy loads of TH keys. It's possible...but how did they amass such a huge supply of oddments? Through TH, which we know is P2W.

While it is theoretically possible that, through a lot of luck, some of these exploiters could've started off with a handful of daily and earned keys, then managed to gain enough oddments from those keys to buy more keys, then repeat their luck over and over until they had won over 20,000,000 XP from the lamps they didn't convert - it makes more sense that they'd have begun the process with more than a few keys. A basic prize converts to 30 oddments. You're bound to get some of these, so it seems quite unlikely the bug exploiters didn't rely on bought keys to get started. That's the P2W connection.

People win the lottery on a single ticket, but the odds are not good.
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08-Oct-2020 07:17:42

Tren
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Thread closed as the solution for this particular issue has already been placed in game over a month ago, and there is no point in continuing the circular arguments.

"Whilst we hotfixed the solution at around 19:10 BST on Monday 24th August, we have also disabled discounts on Treasure Hunter keys in the Oddments Store for the foreseeable future. The addition of a daily item purchase cap is also being considered.

Whilst we take responsibility for the mechanics not working as intended, we do ask that in these situations (which do happen from time-to-time) you let us know if something doesn't seem right. And a big thanks for those who did exactly that this time. You can either report the bug in-game, or let one of our team know directly (and privately) on Twitter, Reddit or Discord."
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