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Aslon Dak

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Dilbert2001 said :
Aslon Dak said :
Dilbert2001 said :
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Dilbert2001 said :
Jagex is going to put daily buy limites on Oddments Store items. It will stop this kind of exploits once and for all. :)

Hold on to that dream with both hands.

Item limits were placed on the Oddments Store on 7 May 2020.

Four days later, those limits were removed.

Maybe this time they'll mean it. I hope so, but I guess time will tell.

The limits were not set on TH keys. Now they added the limits to TH keys and probably other items in the Oddments Store too.

Of course they weren't. As I posted in another thread, the limits were placed on medium lamps and stars - for four days.

They're suspending the discounts on TH keys, at least for now. They may well add other limits to the Oddments Store. Good. That's something they should've done in the first place.

They never said anything about discounts on TH keys. We'll see next time when the promotion on discounted Oddments Store TH keys runs again. The key point is they are already doing a buy limit on TH keys so regardless of how big the discount of TH keys in the future, players can't abuse it.

That's another thing Jagex should've done in the first place. If they had, this exploit never could've happened at all - at least certainly nowhere near to the extent that it did. Aslon Dak: Still 'Scaping after 19 years!
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09-Sep-2020 06:24:56

Dilbert2001
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@Aslon Dak

Jagex clearly stated only 900 of the 7,000 players who they investigated were disciplined.

Not only were 900 exploiters an extremely small number comparing to the RWTers and bots they banned, these exploiters have all of their xp and items rolled back. There is virtually no effects to the game at all.

All but perhaps 4 of these exploiters are probably unbannned after the specified 3 and 14 day periods already. Everything is just business as usual for Jagex and gaming as usual for players. That's the "extent" of this exploit - NOTHING!

09-Sep-2020 15:35:40

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said :
@Aslon Dak

Jagex clearly stated only 900 of the 7,000 players who they investigated were disciplined.

Not only were 900 exploiters an extremely small number comparing to the RWTers and bots they banned, these exploiters have all of their xp and items rolled back. There is virtually no effects to the game at all.

All but perhaps 4 of these exploiters are probably unbannned after the specified 3 and 14 day periods already. Everything is just business as usual for Jagex and gaming as usual for players. That's the "extent" of this exploit - NOTHING!

Wasting Jagex manhours in the midst of a pandemic is far from nothing. Then again, it's their fault for allowing these overpowered forms of pay2win to persist in the first place, let alone have promotions overlap.
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10-Sep-2020 06:06:43

Dilbert2001
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Miu said :
Dilbert2001 said :
@Aslon Dak

Jagex clearly stated only 900 of the 7,000 players who they investigated were disciplined.

Not only were 900 exploiters an extremely small number comparing to the RWTers and bots they banned, these exploiters have all of their xp and items rolled back. There is virtually no effects to the game at all.

All but perhaps 4 of these exploiters are probably unbannned after the specified 3 and 14 day periods already. Everything is just business as usual for Jagex and gaming as usual for players. That's the "extent" of this exploit - NOTHING!

Wasting Jagex manhours in the midst of a pandemic is far from nothing. Then again, it's their fault for allowing these overpowered forms of pay2win to persist in the first place, let alone have promotions overlap.

Do you know they only needed to have their DBA run an extremely simple query to find out how many players bought TH keys under the 50% oddments discount promotion and how many of them did it number of times over their exploit threshold? It only took them a couple of minutes. :)

10-Sep-2020 17:01:40 - Last edited on 10-Sep-2020 17:03:39 by Dilbert2001

Aslon Dak

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Dilbert2001 said :
@Aslon Dak

Jagex clearly stated only 900 of the 7,000 players who they investigated were disciplined.

Not only were 900 exploiters an extremely small number comparing to the RWTers and bots they banned, these exploiters have all of their xp and items rolled back. There is virtually no effects to the game at all.

All but perhaps 4 of these exploiters are probably unbannned after the specified 3 and 14 day periods already. Everything is just business as usual for Jagex and gaming as usual for players. That's the "extent" of this exploit - NOTHING!

That's the problem, though. These sort of exploits should not be shrugged off as "business as usual". Neither should botting or real world trading.

Yes, Jagex rolled back some accounts, as they should have...but do they really know for sure they caught every player who benefitted from this exploit? Some were more obvious with their greed than others. How about the ones who may have used their ill-gotten keys for lamps, stars, antique chests, and quite a number of other rewards which might not have attracted much attention individually, but together could've amounted to quite the haul? Does Jagex know they tracked down and punished every exploiter? I'm sure they'd like to believe they did, and maybe they truly did. Maybe.

Just because some players gamed the system and had their unfair gains removed does not change the extent of the harm P2W has done, and continues to do, to RuneScape.

It's called game integrity...and it's not nothing. Aslon Dak: Still 'Scaping after 19 years!
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15-Sep-2020 09:56:14

Aslon Dak

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Miu said :
Wasting Jagex manhours in the midst of a pandemic is far from nothing. Then again, it's their fault for allowing these overpowered forms of pay2win to persist in the first place, let alone have promotions overlap.

Agreed.

Back in the day, Jagex policy was that a player's real-world financial status should not affect their in-game status. Sadly, that Jagex does not exist any more. The company ran away from that belief in game integrity long ago. Aslon Dak: Still 'Scaping after 19 years!
You can buy XP. You can't buy experience.
"...From The 'Scape" is very nearly here.

15-Sep-2020 10:09:05

Dilbert2001
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Aslon Dak said :
Dilbert2001 said :
@Aslon Dak

Jagex clearly stated only 900 of the 7,000 players who they investigated were disciplined.

Not only were 900 exploiters an extremely small number comparing to the RWTers and bots they banned, these exploiters have all of their xp and items rolled back. There is virtually no effects to the game at all.

All but perhaps 4 of these exploiters are probably unbannned after the specified 3 and 14 day periods already. Everything is just business as usual for Jagex and gaming as usual for players. That's the "extent" of this exploit - NOTHING!

That's the problem, though. These sort of exploits should not be shrugged off as "business as usual". Neither should botting or real world trading.

Yes, Jagex rolled back some accounts, as they should have...but do they really know for sure they caught every player who benefitted from this exploit? Some were more obvious with their greed than others. How about the ones who may have used their ill-gotten keys for lamps, stars, antique chests, and quite a number of other rewards which might not have attracted much attention individually, but together could've amounted to quite the haul? Does Jagex know they tracked down and punished every exploiter? I'm sure they'd like to believe they did, and maybe they truly did. Maybe.

Just because some players gamed the system and had their unfair gains removed does not change the extent of the harm P2W has done, and continues to do, to RuneScape.

It's called game integrity...and it's not nothing.

Exploiters are punished as usual, regardless there is any P2W factors involved.

Bonds are the most P2W items in the game, but buying bonds with real money and instantly obtain the Bis Eldritch Crossbow or Harmonised Orb aren't exploits at all.

Please make sure you know what are exploits first.

15-Sep-2020 15:56:02

Dilbert2001
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Aslon Dak said :
Miu said :
Wasting Jagex manhours in the midst of a pandemic is far from nothing. Then again, it's their fault for allowing these overpowered forms of pay2win to persist in the first place, let alone have promotions overlap.

Agreed.

Back in the day, Jagex policy was that a player's real-world financial status should not affect their in-game status. Sadly, that Jagex does not exist any more. The company ran away from that belief in game integrity long ago.

Pay to win has nothing to do with MTX abuse as bonds exist in Jagex games for at least 7 years now. But Pay to win is not MTX abuse and therefore not what this thread is about. Thank you for your understanding.

15-Sep-2020 15:57:39

NinjaofPie
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After this recent MTX abuse i know players who were "temp banned" and never got rolled back who ended up with 60m-150m in bexp gained from the recent 75% stars sale in oddment store after compiling thousands of proteans and thousands of oddments.

@Dilbert2001. Dont reply to this i dont care what you think.

16-Sep-2020 02:48:08

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