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Kalea Sprite

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Whatusaytome said :
I love Jokku and Kalea's happy enthusiasm and even some of their reasoning, but people's perspectives of what would happen differ very much from theirs, and there needs to be some more understanding of the realistics, from BOTH sides. Or nothing will ever happen.

Thanks Whatusaytome, love that you love the discussion! :D

You might recall that I'm actually in favor of releasing an infinite amount of the original Crackers and Partyhats, etc., but I'm also open to other suggestions, even in this thread someone suggested an extremely rare Treasure Hunter category:
Kalea Sprite said :
Dong U Dead said :
I suggested in another thread about bring in a diamond category where diamond can only be won a few times a year overall, in this category a phat could fit in.

While I'm in favor of releasing an infinite amount of Partyhats for everyone to collect in massive quantities, I'm also open to interesting suggestions such as the one you suggest, it's possible that Jagex will eventually develop a cool way to release the Partyhats again inspired by all of these ideas!

Clearly, no one has access to Jagex's data. But my spidey sense feels that there are only a few of people that are dead against any of these ideas whether it's a holiday event, Solomon's, or Treasure Hunter, etc. But, releasing them again is in their interest too because everyone benefits when Jagex balances the game or strengthens their funding, etc.

While I support practically all ideas, and some people disagree with all ideas, ultimately it's up to Jagex to decide.

I think they'll eventually find a cool way to release them once again just to balance the game: increasing the supply helps nerf overpowered afk market leeching, helps prevent manipulation, etc.

Therefore, Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is an excellent way to increase the supply of fun filled cheerful Partyhat parties! :D
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15-Mar-2019 06:59:54

Darklore
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From runescape wiki:

"Surprisingly, partyhats do play a pivotal role in the RuneScape economy . Players will use these items as investments, cash placements, staked items, and collectables. They are used as cash holders for players because of the stability of the item. "

"Jagex's stance on partyhats

Jagex have stated that they do not wish to recreate the effect that partyhats have had on RuneScape's economy. This is the reason that tradeable holiday drops were replaced with events with non-tradeable rewards. After releasing the fish mask, Jagex changed its stance on tradeable discontinued items, with the mask being the first tradeable discontinued item released since the Santa Hat.
Mod Mark said that if a large number of discontinued rares fell victim to a botnuke, Jagex would look at ways to re-introduce them, probably via the Grand Exchange."


There is even a Message from mod Lorenzo back in 2009.
You can go to runescape wiki to read all about partyhats. Just go to main page, mouse over the game guide and click on wiki. Search for partyhat.


They might make some kind of a partyhat again, like the chromatic partyhat, but never the original. And they will never hand them out for free. Maybe you guys have to wait for a botnuke :O But even then you would probably have to buy them at GE.
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15-Mar-2019 08:40:33

Draco Burnz
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Darklore said :
From runescape wiki:

"Surprisingly, partyhats do play a pivotal role in the RuneScape economy . Players will use these items as investments, cash placements, staked items, and collectables. They are used as cash holders for players because of the stability of the item. "

"Jagex's stance on partyhats

Jagex have stated that they do not wish to recreate the effect that partyhats have had on RuneScape's economy. This is the reason that tradeable holiday drops were replaced with events with non-tradeable rewards. After releasing the fish mask, Jagex changed its stance on tradeable discontinued items, with the mask being the first tradeable discontinued item released since the Santa Hat.
Mod Mark said that if a large number of discontinued rares fell victim to a botnuke, Jagex would look at ways to re-introduce them, probably via the Grand Exchange."


There is even a Message from mod Lorenzo back in 2009.
You can go to runescape wiki to read all about partyhats. Just go to main page, mouse over the game guide and click on wiki. Search for partyhat.


They might make some kind of a partyhat again, like the chromatic partyhat, but never the original. And they will never hand them out for free. Maybe you guys have to wait for a botnuke :O But even then you would probably have to buy them at GE.


I only wish more ppl could understand this.
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15-Mar-2019 09:53:33

Kalea Sprite

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Darklore said :
"Surprisingly, partyhats do play a pivotal role in the RuneScape economy . Players will use these items as investments, cash placements, staked items, and collectables. They are used as cash holders for players because of the stability of the item. "

I think this statement contradicts itself, given that there are very few partyhats in circulation, partyhats cannot play a pivotal role in the economy.

Given that one could say it plays a "pivotal" role for those who flip/merch/invest them, the point is that there are very few people where this would be applicable.

That is, the vast majority of the economy is comprised of people without partyhats, thus it cannot be said that partyhats play a "pivotal" role in the economy writ large.

The wiki also pointed to one condition, a botnuke, where Jagex would begin looking at releasing the Partyhats again. This suggests that there are other similar conditions that are equivalent to a botnuke. Which means there is potential that they will eventually release the Partyhats again.

So, a point that is equivalent to a botnuke is the overpowered flip/merch/investing mechanic and manipulation that occurs within markets such as Partyhats. This results in a game dynamic that is unbalanced: an afk activity such as flip/merch/investing shouldn't outpace the more intense and active activities such as pvm. (Like in mining, actively doing the rockertunities gets better rewards than afk mining)

Furthermore , the most recent proposal to release the Partyhats again was an update entitled "Bank Bidders." Even though this proposal was abandoned it is evidence that the conditions are gradually approaching a point where Jagex will develop a cool way to release the Partyhats again.

And, obviously one of the coolest ways to release the Partyhats again is with Treasure Hunter!!! :D
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15-Mar-2019 10:10:00

Draco Burnz
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Kalea Sprite said :
the most recent proposal to release the Partyhats again was an update entitled "Bank Bidders." Even though this proposal was abandoned it is evidence that the conditions are gradually approaching a point where Jagex will develop a cool way to release the Partyhats again.


If jagex themselves shutdown BB it just clearly shows that they didnt want to ruin the economy.
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15-Mar-2019 10:30:50

Kalea Sprite

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Draco Burnz said :
Kalea Sprite said :
the most recent proposal to release the Partyhats again was an update entitled "Bank Bidders." Even though this proposal was abandoned it is evidence that the conditions are gradually approaching a point where Jagex will develop a cool way to release the Partyhats again.


If jagex themselves shutdown BB it just clearly shows that they didnt want to ruin the economy.

There is much speculation about why Bank Bidders was cancelled, certainly there's the flip/merch/investors and entourage that might have made that claim, but it's just as likely that it was cancelled due to the complexity of awarding the prizes (such as partyhats) in a fair way, or others speculate that other updates became more of a priority, etc.

In any event, even if the Bank Bidder proposal didn't work out this time around, it's still evidence that the conditions are gradually approaching a point where Jagex will develop a cool way to release the Partyhats again.

And, obviously one of the coolest ways to release the Partyhats again is with Treasure Hunter!!! :D
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15-Mar-2019 11:20:36 - Last edited on 15-Mar-2019 11:22:40 by Kalea Sprite

Darklore
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You are going against the wind here. Even Jagex say that the hats have an effect on the economy. I dont understand how you cannot see it yourself. One would think Jagex knows this better than you.


And about the botnuke thing. Yes they would begin looking at a way to release the hats again (when and if that time comes) but probably only up to a sertain amount of them just to stabilize the economy again.
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15-Mar-2019 12:19:22

Kalea Sprite

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Darklore said :
Even Jagex say that the hats have an effect on the economy.

What's your definition of economy?

Are you referring to the "economy" of people with partyhats or the "economy" that includes people without partyhats, what's the context?

If partyhats are having an impact on something like feathers and cannonballs, then it's additional evidence that the markets are being manipulated.

Or how could the "economy" of people who don't have partyhats be impacted?
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15-Mar-2019 17:39:05

Darklore
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Partyhats stabilize alot of other items in game like armour and weapons and god knows what more. This is why all players will be affected, with or without partyhats. This is overall economy that will affect us all because we all buy and sell items. And this is the same economy that we have in real life too. I believe that Thomm tried to explain all this on page 5.


So handing out almost free partyhats would make the prizes on other items go wild and people will rage.
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