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Dilbert2001
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lootboxes are like a drug but for gaming addicts. they need regulation. i also don't smoke crack but that doesn't mean ppl don't get addicted to it

Some people said video games and social media are worse than drugs (e.g. Prince Harry of England). Shrug! It is one person's own opinion. I don't think Prince Harry smokes crack but that doesn't mean ppl don't get addicted to video games with or without lootboxes, but ban all video games? ROFL!!! Not happening anywhere in the world, not even in Communist China where they can change basically all regulations they like. :D

10-Nov-2019 16:23:47

Jaekob Caed
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Years back, first with EverQuest and then with World of Warcraft, ignorant haters of video games were trying to outlaw -- or at least regulate -- MMORPGs because they can be addicting. That never happened, because people began to realize that people have every opportunity to choose to NOT become addicted. The difference between addiction to drugs and addiction to games is that drug addictions aren't just psychological: there are physiological effects as well. They have chemicals that make addiction almost a guarantee. Games are not the same. That'd be like saying we should outlaw social media because a gargantuan majority of our dumbed down society of today is addicted to it.

The problem is that people refuse to take responsibility for their own actions and thus pin the blame on "predatory corporations" and "corporate greed" when what these businesses are doing with lootboxes is simple business. If a person gets addicted to buying lootboxes of any kind, that's on them, not the business.

As I said before, kids shouldn't have access to a credit card and people with gambling addictions should be getting help and limiting their exposure to temptation. If a child spends loads of cash on lootboxes, their parents are to blame for their dumpster fire parenting style. If a person with an addiction spends loads of cash on lootboxes, that's on them because they didn't seek help and limit their exposure to tempting factors.

It really is as simple as that. This isn't as complex an issue as a lot of people and meddling, nescient politicians put it out to be. ~
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11-Nov-2019 05:50:07

I Lack Heart
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Jaekob Caed said :

As I said before, kids shouldn't have access to a credit card and people with gambling addictions should be getting help and limiting their exposure to temptation. If a child spends loads of cash on lootboxes, their parents are to blame for their dumpster fire parenting style. If a person with an addiction spends loads of cash on lootboxes, that's on them because they didn't seek help and limit their exposure to tempting factors.

parents shouldnt even have to think about these things in first place. if there is something in your game that could cause harm to child then is it moral to be there? lets take the drugs example again, if it was legal to sell them and companies would and they had no age restrictions, that situation would be a nightmare. sure its optional to buy and try, sure parents should watch after their kids and drug test them after each school day but is it moral for the company to sell something so addictive in first place?

12-Nov-2019 13:47:52

Dilbert2001
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I Lack Heart said :
Jaekob Caed said :

As I said before, kids shouldn't have access to a credit card and people with gambling addictions should be getting help and limiting their exposure to temptation. If a child spends loads of cash on lootboxes, their parents are to blame for their dumpster fire parenting style. If a person with an addiction spends loads of cash on lootboxes, that's on them because they didn't seek help and limit their exposure to tempting factors.

parents shouldnt even have to think about these things in first place

The actual real world UK Government tells you it is not the case. Parental Control is needed:

"Online video games
The Internet Safety Strategy Green Paper set out the statutory regulation for video games
supplied in physical formats – the classification (Pan-European Games Information (PEGI)
age ratings), labelling and sales restrictions that apply under the Video Recordings Act 1984.
It also highlighted the self-regulatory approach taken by the industry for online games, in
relation to providing parental controls on devices, offering advice on safe gaming to
consumers, particularly those caring for children, and rolling out the International Age Rating
Coalition (IARC) initiative which ensures that apps and games available from many online
and mobile storefronts carry PEGI age ratings."


That's why MS Windows as well as other social media/video game platforms have PARENTAL CONTROLS. Parents can block their children to access/play whatever games and they can block payments. It is the parents' responsibilities according to the Government.

The Government are the people who determine what are legal or not, not a player. However, the parents can block recurring subscription if they don't want to pay, regardless it is illegal.

12-Nov-2019 16:13:54

Jaekob Caed
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I Lack Heart said :
parents shouldnt even have to think about these things in first place. if there is something in your game that could cause harm to child then is it moral to be there? lets take the drugs example again, if it was legal to sell them and companies would and they had no age restrictions, that situation would be a nightmare. sure its optional to buy and try, sure parents should watch after their kids and drug test them after each school day but is it moral for the company to sell something so addictive in first place?

Pardon me? Parents should be observant of all their children do. It's not the fault of businesses if parents want to be lazy and not have to pay attention to their kids... you know, the whole point of parenting in the first place?

This is not a kids' game. There was a reason that, just a few years ago, they had an age limit. ~
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13-Nov-2019 10:23:24

keggyyy

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Jaekob Caed said :
I Lack Heart said :
parents shouldnt even have to think about these things in first place. if there is something in your game that could cause harm to child then is it moral to be there? lets take the drugs example again, if it was legal to sell them and companies would and they had no age restrictions, that situation would be a nightmare. sure its optional to buy and try, sure parents should watch after their kids and drug test them after each school day but is it moral for the company to sell something so addictive in first place?

Pardon me? Parents should be observant of all their children do. It's not the fault of businesses if parents want to be lazy and not have to pay attention to their kids... you know, the whole point of parenting in the first place?

This is not a kids' game. There was a reason that, just a few years ago, they had an age limit.


Optional vaping products have been banned in New york.

13-Nov-2019 13:50:05

Dilbert2001
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keggyyy said :
Jaekob Caed said :
I Lack Heart said :
parents shouldnt even have to think about these things in first place. if there is something in your game that could cause harm to child then is it moral to be there? lets take the drugs example again, if it was legal to sell them and companies would and they had no age restrictions, that situation would be a nightmare. sure its optional to buy and try, sure parents should watch after their kids and drug test them after each school day but is it moral for the company to sell something so addictive in first place?

Pardon me? Parents should be observant of all their children do. It's not the fault of businesses if parents want to be lazy and not have to pay attention to their kids... you know, the whole point of parenting in the first place?

This is not a kids' game. There was a reason that, just a few years ago, they had an age limit.


Optional vaping products have been banned in New york.

Trolling on Twitch has not only been banned on Artifacts streams but also sued by Twitch too but does it mean all trolls on Runescape RSOF should be banned and sued too?

What does vaping have to do with Runescape, and why doesn't vaping have anything to do with trolling?

13-Nov-2019 15:40:23

I Lack Heart
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Jaekob Caed said :
I Lack Heart said :
parents shouldnt even have to think about these things in first place. if there is something in your game that could cause harm to child then is it moral to be there? lets take the drugs example again, if it was legal to sell them and companies would and they had no age restrictions, that situation would be a nightmare. sure its optional to buy and try, sure parents should watch after their kids and drug test them after each school day but is it moral for the company to sell something so addictive in first place?

Pardon me? Parents should be observant of all their children do. It's not the fault of businesses if parents want to be lazy and not have to pay attention to their kids... you know, the whole point of parenting in the first place?

This is not a kids' game. There was a reason that, just a few years ago, they had an age limit.
pardon you, it actually is if they are offering products deemed safe for kids but they themselves know its not. you know the kids movies and games are there for taking away the kids attention so parents can do daily chores right? thats also the reason why alcohol is age regulated because no one expects parents to shadow their child 247.

if this was the way you were raised then i can understand why your viewpoint isnt very mature yet.

also implying 13 year old is not a kid anymore is interesting, thats kid to me and thats also the age restriction to the game.

14-Nov-2019 07:06:33

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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I Lack Heart said :
Jaekob Caed said :
I Lack Heart said :
parents shouldnt even have to think about these things in first place. if there is something in your game that could cause harm to child then is it moral to be there? lets take the drugs example again, if it was legal to sell them and companies would and they had no age restrictions, that situation would be a nightmare. sure its optional to buy and try, sure parents should watch after their kids and drug test them after each school day but is it moral for the company to sell something so addictive in first place?

Pardon me? Parents should be observant of all their children do. It's not the fault of businesses if parents want to be lazy and not have to pay attention to their kids... you know, the whole point of parenting in the first place?

This is not a kids' game. There was a reason that, just a few years ago, they had an age limit.
pardon you, it actually is if they are offering products deemed safe for kids but they themselves know its not. you know the kids movies and games are there for taking away the kids attention so parents can do daily chores right? thats also the reason why alcohol is age regulated because no one expects parents to shadow their child 247.

if this was the way you were raised then i can understand why your viewpoint isnt very mature yet.

also implying 13 year old is not a kid anymore is interesting, thats kid to me and thats also the age restriction to the game.

Who said Jagex's products are not safe to children? Not the governments. I believe Jagex is committed to making their products safe by actively getting rid of all online harms like addictive grinding and abusive trolling, and they already said in many occasions they are happy to cooperate with UKIE and the governments.

14-Nov-2019 15:41:23

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