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Dilbert2001
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boidae said :
body builders can sell their used soiled work out gear.. all that's needed is tax


No need to pay taxes if the governments are body builders themselves.

Note that the recently formed UK Council for Internet Safety (UKCIS) which replaced the UK Council for Child Internet Safety (UKCCIS) is made up of UKIE and all the social/gaming platforms:

"The UK Council for Internet Safety (UKCIS) is replacing the UK Council for Child Internet Safety (UKCCIS), with the expanded aim of enhancing internet safety for all citizens and inform the development of the forthcoming Online harms paper, announced in April.

Areas of focus for UKCIS will include online harms experienced by children, such as cyber bullying and sexual exploitation, radicalisation and extremism, violence against women and girls, hate crime and hate speech, and forms of discrimination against groups protected under the Equality Act – for example, on the basis of disability or race."


https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252467584/UK-government-announces-new-online-safety-body

25-Oct-2019 21:22:32 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2019 21:23:20 by Dilbert2001

Tagakhlo
Sep Member 2014

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Before the recent news item about one person spending too much on RuneScape, and the British investigation, I had read earlier reports on American concern about loot boxes.

Apparently, in some very popular games out there, you have a situation which, if translated into RuneScape terms, would be as if the only way to get drygores and nox (or any other similarly high-level items) would be as very rare items on Treasure Hunter (non-tradeable, of course), so people would have to buy huge amounts of keys if they intended to boss.

That is genuinely abusive of players. RuneScape doesn't get anywhere near that.

It's unfortunate that RuneScape may end up being impacted by a concern that Jagex was not really to blame for fuelling. But things happen, and they will always have to operate within the law.

If they can get mobile going, and it brings in an influx of new players, of course, then that would offset revenue losses from MTX being limited. Right now, of course, Solomon's Store isn't randomized, so it would not be affected. Treasure Hunter is what may be under pressure, and that's where the non-cosmetic rewards are. You can't directly purchase lamps or stars - or even oddments, only keys, and their benefits are unpredictable, thus, somewhat reducing the fear that people will buy their way to success, which is the concern at the player end.

05-Nov-2019 21:40:39

Dilbert2001
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Tagakhlo said :
Before the recent news item about one person spending too much on RuneScape, and the British investigation,
I had read earlier reports on American concern about loot boxes.


Apparently, in some very popular games out there, you have a situation which, if translated into RuneScape terms, would be as if the only way to get drygores and nox (or any other similarly high-level items) would be as very rare items on Treasure Hunter (non-tradeable, of course), so people would have to buy huge amounts of keys if they intended to boss.

That is genuinely abusive of players. RuneScape doesn't get anywhere near that.

It's unfortunate that RuneScape may end up being impacted by a concern that Jagex was not really to blame for fuelling. But things happen, and they will always have to operate within the law.

If they can get mobile going, and it brings in an influx of new players, of course, then that would offset revenue losses from MTX being limited. Right now, of course, Solomon's Store isn't randomized, so it would not be affected. Treasure Hunter is what may be under pressure, and that's where the non-cosmetic rewards are. You can't directly purchase lamps or stars - or even oddments, only keys, and their benefits are unpredictable, thus, somewhat reducing the fear that people will buy their way to success, which is the concern at the player end.


What you referred to is the Protecting Children From Abusive Games Act.

Unfortunately, it is totally collecting dust. Just no other politicians care.

Just for academic discussion, if this Bill passed, it would kill SGS too. Sorry, all those Legendary Pets, Auras, and such give in-game advantages and would be outlawed too. :(

06-Nov-2019 01:22:20

Jaekob Caed
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People really need to get over this bullcrap entitlement attitude toward lootboxes. When they're optional and fair, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them and no governments should be getting involved. It's on the player if they can't control their spending. Children shouldn't have access to a credit card and people with gambling addictions need to seek help.

What Jagex -- and most other companies using lootboxes -- is doing, it's not predatory. It's business. It'd be really nice if people would quit being so entitled and realize that they're 100% optional.
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07-Nov-2019 20:15:29

I Lack Heart
May Member 2016

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Jaekob Caed said :
People really need to get over this bullcrap entitlement attitude toward lootboxes. When they're optional and fair, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them and no governments should be getting involved. It's on the player if they can't control their spending. Children shouldn't have access to a credit card and people with gambling addictions need to seek help.

What Jagex -- and most other companies using lootboxes -- is doing, it's not predatory. It's business. It'd be really nice if people would quit being so entitled and realize that they're 100% optional.

I rather trust the experts who study these facts for a living instead of some TH addicts opinion on the matter is it predatory or not. And just for the conclusion, it is predatory.

09-Nov-2019 15:44:27

Dilbert2001
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I Lack Heart said :
Jaekob Caed said :
People really need to get over this bullcrap entitlement attitude toward lootboxes. When they're optional and fair, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them and no governments should be getting involved. It's on the player if they can't control their spending. Children shouldn't have access to a credit card and people with gambling addictions need to seek help.

What Jagex -- and most other companies using lootboxes -- is doing, it's not predatory. It's business. It'd be really nice if people would quit being so entitled and realize that they're 100% optional.

I rather trust the experts who study these facts for a living instead of some TH addicts opinion on the matter is it predatory or not. And just for the conclusion, it is predatory.


I'll rather trust the REAL WORLD GOVERNMENTS and the communication between them and Jagex like what Jagex wrote to the UK DCMS and asked for their intentions and recommendation but the former replied with "nothing" other than a thank you for their voluntary participation in the research while many other companies (e.g. Facebook) refused to.

09-Nov-2019 17:48:01

Jaekob Caed
Apr Member 2011

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I Lack Heart said :
I rather trust the experts who study these facts for a living instead of some TH addicts opinion on the matter is it predatory or not. And just for the conclusion, it is predatory.


I've literally never spent a single cent on keys. Not one penny. I've bought a couple cosmetics on Solomon's, but never keys. They're optional, not predatory.
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10-Nov-2019 04:37:06

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