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Dilbert2001
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xox Lola xox said :
Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Dilbert2001 said :
The Irish government's response recently reiterated loot boxes, bonds, Runecoins, subscription fee etc are no different than bidding on e-bay and other e-commerce activity, and therefore not subject to be regulated under any new regulation other than the existing e-commerce laws:

"Where the offers do not fall within the current Irish legal definition of gambling, such purchases are essentially an e-commerce activity. This would fall within the recourse of normal consumer law where there is dissatisfaction on the part of the customer with the purchase."


http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PQ-11-06-2019-335

So, don't like it, don't buy it just like all the other e-commerce products. And if you have any dispute regarding virtual items, just treat them as regular e-commerce items you get from e-bay and such and call your local consumer bureau. Period. :)

Guess what? Ireland isn't even in the uk.

Guess what? Jagex has business in Ireland too. They will have to abide to their e-commerce law there to earn their happy money. :)

oh yh I did meet an irish kid on rs once. think he quit

Did that Irish kid also move to Belgium too...oh... it won't matter as Jagex is also perfectly fine in Belgium.

25-Aug-2019 20:51:26

Dilbert2001
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South Korea may be a better place for parents to ask for refunds or chargeback from the money their "kids" paid for in-game purchases. However there will be a limit of about US$ 62 per month. So their FTC will prohibit charge back or refund requests for like a $100 payments in Bonds or a 6-month subscription.

Uh Oh! That's not limited to just loot boxes though because loot boxes are all legal there and they prohibits other forms of gambling so loot boxes in video games are pretty much their only form of legal "gambling" simulations.

South Korea may be a good place to live or operate a video game business too. :)

The Fair Trade Commission (FTC in South Korea) is concerned with in-game purchases in PC and mobile games. In particular, one concern is the clauses game companies enact regarding minors’ in-game purchases.

“But if an underage user actively deceives parents, that’s on the kids. If a minor spends more than the legally allowed amount of 70,000 won ($62) a month, he or she will be held accountable.”


https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/south-koreas-ftc-review-1203193214/

26-Aug-2019 17:22:03 - Last edited on 26-Aug-2019 17:22:51 by Dilbert2001

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article 17 (access to information from the media) Every child has the right to reliable information from a variety of sources, and governments should encourage the media to provide information that children can understand. Governments must help protect children from materials that could harm them

26-Aug-2019 19:51:21

Dilbert2001
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xox Lola xox said :
article 17 (access to information from the media) Every child has the right to reliable information from a variety of sources, and governments should encourage
the media
to provide information that children can understand. Governments must help protect children from materials that could harm them

Exactly that's why
the media
should provide information on in-game purchases like Bonds and Premier Club membership... but wait... isn't
the media
already doing that? Isn't
the media
like TV, radio, newspapers, etc already doing it?

26-Aug-2019 20:03:01

xox Lola xox

xox Lola xox

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Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
article 17 (access to information from the media) Every child has the right to reliable information from a variety of sources, and governments should encourage
the media
to provide information that children can understand. Governments must help protect children from materials that could harm them

Exactly that's why
the media
should provide information on in-game purchases like Bonds and Premier Club membership... but wait... isn't
the media
already doing that? Isn't
the media
like TV, radio, newspapers, etc already doing it?

You think?


This Article applies to all kinds of media, including:
print media¯ such as newspapers or magazines
electronic media¯ such as websites
audiovisual media¯ such as radio and television programmes.



Oh dear...

26-Aug-2019 20:08:11

Dilbert2001
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xox Lola xox said :
Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
article 17 (access to information from the media) Every child has the right to reliable information from a variety of sources, and governments should encourage
the media
to provide information that children can understand. Governments must help protect children from materials that could harm them

Exactly that's why
the media
should provide information on in-game purchases like Bonds and Premier Club membership... but wait... isn't
the media
already doing that? Isn't
the media
like TV, radio, newspapers, etc already doing it?

You think?


This Article applies to all kinds of media, including:
print media¯ such as newspapers or magazines
electronic media¯ such as websites
audiovisual media¯ such as radio and television programmes.



Oh dear...

What magazines, newspapers, websites etc are not protecting the children by telling them the the information like Bonds and Premier Club subscriptions are in-game purchases as per ESRA and PEGI, or corrected information like the UKGC has found no links between loot boxes and gambling?

Yes, I know there are a few unethical journals always misreport but do not make corrections, or outright omitted information they hate to see like the UK DCMS Minsters said loud and clear that loot boxes is not gambling and there is no justification at all to it. Yes, shame on these shady magazines who refuse to honor "article 17" of the UNICEF. :D

26-Aug-2019 20:21:55

xox Lola xox

xox Lola xox

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Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
article 17 (access to information from the media) Every child has the right to reliable information from a variety of sources, and governments should encourage
the media
to provide information that children can understand. Governments must help protect children from materials that could harm them

Exactly that's why
the media
should provide information on in-game purchases like Bonds and Premier Club membership... but wait... isn't
the media
already doing that? Isn't
the media
like TV, radio, newspapers, etc already doing it?

You think?


This Article applies to all kinds of media, including:
print media¯ such as newspapers or magazines
electronic media¯ such as websites
audiovisual media¯ such as radio and television programmes.



Oh dear...

What magazines, newspapers, websites etc are not protecting the children by telling them the the information like Bonds and Premier Club subscriptions are in-game purchases as per ESRA and PEGI, or corrected information like the UKGC has found no links between loot boxes and gambling?

Yes, I know there are a few unethical journals always misreport but do not make corrections, or outright omitted information they hate to see like the UK DCMS Minsters said loud and clear that loot boxes is not gambling and there is no justification at all to it. Yes, shame on these shady magazines who refuse to honor "article 17" of the UNICEF. :D

Source? loool

Thought not....

26-Aug-2019 20:48:15

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