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Dilbert2001
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Torgi Nudho said :
Sup, Lola,

Thanks for the hookup!

If you want a really interesting research document look up: "Loot boxes are again linked to problem gambling: Results of a replication study" by David Zendle and Paul Cairns.


I'm pretty sure you'll like this one!


Commission tells GamesIndustry.biz it did not find loot boxes are gateway to gambling, despite what media reports claim

The UK Gambling Commission has refuted assertions from the media that it links the exposure of children to loot boxes as a gateway to gambling.


https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-11-22-uk-gambling-commission-weve-not-in-anyway-referred-to-loot-boxes-as-exposure-to-gambling

Another committee member cited the work of Dr David Zendle, who identified links between loot boxes and gambling, although James warned that
even Zendle would say his work was correlational
.

"We must be careful. We can't necessarily assume that because there's a correlation between A and B that there is a causal link. Those two modes of research are different and I think we should respect that."


Shame on media misreporting again!!! :D :D :D

25-Aug-2019 17:17:25

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Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
They can do all the research they want. Obviously the more research they do the stronger evidence they will have of links between loot boxes and gambling.

What interests me most about this debate is the link between gaming and child abuse, specifically neglect. (I am NOT talking about trolling or terrorism or sexual content for the purpose of this thread) but gaming disorder and addiction and spending money on mummy and daddy's credit card. Not gonna lie, it's fascinating.

As far as gambling is concerned I find it also very amusing that winning money is seen as the problem, because from my perspective that would be the only positive bit about it, but then I don't gamble or spend money on microtransactions at all and treasure hunter makes me feel a bit sick and the fact that Jagex can't even hide the pop up lol.... Anyway...

There are also over 9000 more researches on children spending money online (note: that's online shopping, not specific to games or loot boxes). Of course the governments are aware and in fact most online platforms have parental controls or guidance requirements on children spending money. For instance, Amazon requires e-bay bidders to be over 18 unless they have the consent of the parents. Other countries like Korea also set a purchase limits on online shopping (e.g. there is no refund on internet purchases more than about $60, user be aware).

Not just researches, real world reports also show there are a titanic lot more e-shopping than video game "addicts". However, like online games and social platforms, sales regulation regarding e-bay already falls under the Commerce policy, all the time. There is no specific e-bay regulations or Alibaba regulations and such because there is no need.

do people need to shop?

25-Aug-2019 17:30:05

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Unlike some other addictions, compulsive buyers cannot go cold turkey. Particularly around the holidays, when gift-buying feels mandatory, going cold turkey is not possible. Instead, treatment focuses on addressing the underlying emotions that cause the compulsive spending. Cognitive-behavioral therapy can be especially helpful, since it aims to identify and correct problematic thoughts while addressing the behaviors these thoughts trigger.
Some compulsive spenders find assistance through 12-step programs such as Debtors Anonymous.


Little bit different isn't it.

No reason at all there why loot boxes can't be banned so far.

25-Aug-2019 17:45:11

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Commission tells GamesIndustry.biz it did not find loot boxes are gateway to gambling, despite what media reports claim

yes I think margot pointed that out during the video I posted the link to on this thread. She forgot to do any research.

25-Aug-2019 17:50:18

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xox Lola xox said :
Are products sold in shops regulated?

Is advertising regulated?

Do you have to prove your age to buy some items?

What happens to products shops sell that are found to be harmful?

Yes. Commerce and advertising are regulated. Jagex's games are no exceptions. Nothing harmful is found in Jagex games though.

People go to governments for commerce and advertising regulations, like FTC and BBB in the USA. They never go to a forum or a gaming media site for such regulations even by a miracle they don't misreport as usual. :D

25-Aug-2019 17:54:53

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So basically what you are saying is that treasure hunter and loot boxes are linked to gambling, spending disorder, gaming disorder and general behaviour disorder. So Jagex is deliberately preying on all of those people.

Can you remind me of the benefit of treasure hunter and loot boxes?

25-Aug-2019 18:04:50

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xox Lola xox said :
So basically what you are saying is that treasure hunter and loot boxes are linked to gambling, spending disorder, gaming disorder and general behaviour disorder. So Jagex is deliberately preying on all of those people.

Can you remind me of the benefit of treasure hunter and loot boxes?

I clearly told you there is no link officially found by the government. The media just misreported as usual on post 1 of this page:

"Commission tells GamesIndustry.biz it did not find loot boxes are gateway to gambling, despite what media reports claim

The UK Gambling Commission has refuted assertions from the media that it links the exposure of children to loot boxes as a gateway to gambling.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-11-22-uk-gambling-commission-weve-not-in-anyway-referred-to-loot-boxes-as-exposure-to-gambling

Another committee member cited the work of Dr David Zendle, who identified links between loot boxes and gambling, although James warned that even Zendle would say his work was correlational.

"We must be careful. We can't necessarily assume that because there's a correlation between A and B that there is a causal link. Those two modes of research are different and I think we should respect that."


No point to go in circle. No links between loot boxes and TH to gambling and everything else you called "harmful". The government clearly said that. I clearly said that.
NO LINK x 9000
. Please don't misreport like the shameful media. :D

25-Aug-2019 18:10:24

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it did not find loot boxes are gateway to gambling,

No links between loot boxes and TH to gambling

do you see any difference in your words

why are you trying to misrepresent what they said

why are they suggesting that the government invest in more research?

how do you think that is going to stop jagex becoming regulated and being held liable for the harm they are causing.

Clearly the smart people in the games industry do not agree with you berty.

25-Aug-2019 18:18:10

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