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UrekMazino
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Dilbert2001 said :
Even Larry, Moe and Curly know they have to go to COURT for lawsuit. No arrest, no court then there is no law enforcement
yet
obviously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6q37n7GDCY
ftfy

Its almost like this whole debacle is still at a very early stage.

Remind me again, how long did it take for tabacco to be regulated since it was commercialised? Oh yea, the product has been around for centuries, and it took decades of research to confirm its damage to our health, and another few more decades for various regulations to come into effect.

Now remind me again, when did this whole online gambling and microtransaction really start to gain traction, when it people begin to realise that it may be harmful. Oh right, less than a decade ago. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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20-Jan-2019 10:08:44

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Yes if only taking a billion dollar were that simple. But everyone knows an investigation needs to take place before any charges are laid out. Which is what's going on in Belgium at the moment with EA they are still investigating.

Plus you never answered my question why is it EA is the only fighting the Belgium government when 5 other companies (two of whom weren't being directly targeted) are cooperating with Belgium if Loot Boxes aren't illegal?

As for the transparency of governments. Again we have no idea what's happening behind closed doors. Not everyone in power is gutsy enough to make a show of their bill writing and submissions like Chris Lee did. But that doesn't mean they aren't writing or even just thinking about how they can implement these laws in a way that'll satisfy everyone. Not mention there are other factors like more urgent matters or waiting to see the outcome of the US FTC's investigation.

As for the Youtuber's not having anything done about them
yet
. Well it takes time for the government to react to these things. But all this does is bring even more attention to Loot Boxes and invalidates the "you always win something" argument.

Also trying to justify Loot Boxes by saying these fashion Loot Boxes is almost as ridiculous as a murderer trying to justify their crime by saying "well Hitler did worse". In the end they both deserve what's coming.

As for me redirecting the conversation to "toxic gamer rage". I'm not redirecting anything. All I was saying is that's why you're (hypocritically) complaining about us complaining. And you just confirmed that. The statement below is false.
The statement above is true.

20-Jan-2019 14:00:40

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Even Larry, Moe and Curly know they have to go to COURT for lawsuit. No arrest, no court then there is no law enforcement
yet
obviously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6q37n7GDCY
ftfy

Its almost like this whole debacle is still at a very early stage.

Remind me again, how long did it take for tabacco to be regulated since it was commercialised? Oh yea, the product has been around for centuries, and it took decades of research to confirm its damage to our health, and another few more decades for various regulations to come into effect.

Now remind me again, when did this whole online gambling and microtransaction really start to gain traction, when it people begin to realise that it may be harmful. Oh right, less than a decade ago.

Governments of the entire world, especially the 15 EU countries and Washington State of the USA are still going after online gambling, yes that's right, but the online gambling they are talking about is 3rd party offsite illegal gambling (skin gambling and Real Money Player Trading). The UK Gambling Commission clearly rebuffed false news that they have any bone to pick with loot boxes. They openly clarify their stance as what the Netherland Governments call for - if nobody real money is "gambled", "bet", "wagered" "duel for" or whatever words you want to use outside the game, then it is no gambling.

https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/460657-uk-loot-boxes-no-link-gambling

No government is doing or ever can do anything to microtransaction in virtual worlds/games. They are, and have been for over 10 years, legitimate e-commerce products and regulated as such. In the case of Ireland, even loot boxes are e-commerce products too. Nobody they will and ever can do to change a thing.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/10/01/ireland-backs-down-from-labeling-loot-boxes-as-gambling

20-Jan-2019 15:14:45

Dilbert2001
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Ashlin107,

There are over 9000 video game companies in the world, you better ask why didn't that Belgium minster, (read that again, just that Belgium minister in the dog house, not even the Belgium government which certainly is consisted of not just that minister but also law enforcement and judicial departments) do to the other > 9000 video game, Jagex included?

The reason is extremely simple. It is because they don't break any laws. Jagex do not break any laws. EA do not break any law. Otherwise law enforcement will have them arrested and Judicial will have them served in Court with a publicly announced date. I bet even a grade school kid or Larry, Moe and Curly know that. :D

Chris Lee's Bills are dead, long dead that we all know. Thanks for bringing them up so we can have a better laugh at this "moron":

"In the U.S., there’s very low probability anybody passes legislation to regulate loot boxes. The guys in Hawaii are just fucking morons. They’re morons. They should not only resign, but they should kill themselves. They’re so idiotic. Seriously. They’re such morons. One of the two idiot legislators said—I forget the studio.
But they said something like, “EA shut down my favorite studio in 2005 and I’ve hated them ever since.
” He said that on the record. We’re going to legislate against loot boxes? What an asshole."


These legislators are just making these bills because they were or may even be still video game industry insiders who have a stake against loot boxes. They hate some companies. They are just abusing their positions in a government division. I am glad somebody bought it up so we can see their true color.

So again, who are the "toxic raging gamers"? Unless you or somebody you know proclaim they are one of these "toxic raging gamers" I don't think anybody in this forum and thread has ever mentioned that. To me, again, regulations don't discriminate whether you are "toxic raging gamers". Shrug! :D

20-Jan-2019 15:31:50

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Dilbert2001, the links are hardly useful, it just simply touches on the subject, it's not like loot boxes just exist now, what's happening now is, more and more companies are creating games around loot boxes.

Companies are no longer happy with making a popular game with steady profits, now it's at a point where they don't care if a product consumers brought get's shut down or destroyed once they have milked it for anything Activation portfolio says it all.

It's no secret shareholders are now in control of the future of games rather then the developers.

It's also very clear that shareholders are aware players don't want loot boxes, which has left them starting to use deceiving tactics for new games, and this now seems like a standard direction companies are taking.

Games are now being released, with the promise of no loot boxes, then a month later after the reviews and sales are in, Loot boxes come in.

Companies are literally intentionally deceiving consumers for they own gains.

When consumers are buying products based on lies, it will only be a matter of time before governments will have to start looking into this again.

And as for the link, they have said gambling addiction has gone up in young people, but its nothing to do with loot boxes, but also don't say whats causing it, Seems legit.

Because if we know anything it's that governments can't be paid off, and are never corrupt, so there clearly isn't an motive behind making such statements, Ever heard the saying money talks?

For me it's simple, jagex have sold out and followed the trends of unpopular developers for a quick buck, its disgusting. and I'm baffled why you are even trying to defend these companies, i know yourself and draco like to also have a different opinion to everyone else, not because you guys are passionate about the topic, just cos' you want the drama and attention on yourselves.

20-Jan-2019 15:40:50

Dilbert2001
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Skull-inky,

So? That's what I said and have been all along. Companies always want to make profits. Microtransations have been in the video game industry for over 10 years as I mentioned time over time and apparently you reiterated it with your last post.

MTX has never been a problem. It is a legitimate e-commerce products despite many players don't like it. MTX products are being regulated as all the other online e-commerce products too. Loot Boxes are also one of those e-commerce MTX products too. They have all been regulations regarding them. In fact, they are even in-game purchases self-regulations imposed by ESRB and PEGI.

Game players, the consumers of e-commerce products don't like MTX? So what? Too bad they are and have always been legitimate e-commerce products over the last 10+ years. Nothing can change it. No governments can change it and no bills can even be made to make MTX not an legitimate e-commerce product.

Yes, some governments are corrupted. As I mentioned, Chris Lee is one of those who get busted as a video game industry insider disguised as legislator. The good thing is the more they cry hopelessly, the more their true intention is exposed. Read this entire post regarding Chris Lee's moronic act:

https://wccftech.com/pachter-loot-boxes-consumers-are-stupid/

20-Jan-2019 15:55:44

UrekMazino
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Dilbert2001 said :
No government is doing or ever can do anything to microtransaction in virtual worlds/games. They are, and have been for over 10 years, legitimate e-commerce products and regulated as such. In the case of Ireland, even loot boxes are e-commerce products too.
Wow, they've only been around for 10 short years? Thanks for proving my point. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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21-Jan-2019 07:32:24

UrekMazino
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Also, do you mind reminding me how many game companies have removed randomised MTX from their games or completely pulled their games off the shelf due to fear of courtcases?

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-07-12-cs-go-update-blocks-players-in-netherlands-and-belgium-from-opening-loot-boxes
https://www.greenmangaming.com/newsroom/2018/08/29/blizzard-removes-paid-loot-boxes-in-belgium/
https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/damien-cox/valve-removes-loot-boxes-from-counter-strike-global-offensive-in-belgium-and-the-netherlands/
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-09-25-arenanet-removes-loot-boxes-from-guild-wars-2-for-players-in-belgium
https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/nov/21/square-enix-pulls-games-mobius-final-fantasy-belgium-loot-box-ban
https://europeangaming.eu/portal/latest-news/2018/09/07/27678/no-more-in-game-loot-boxes-in-belgium/


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21-Jan-2019 07:35:35

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