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Sepulchre
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Dennorak said :
The portals have been shown to be extremely powerful and capable of replacing rituals for the Mahjarrat. but what KIND of Ritual? I remember reading somewhere that the closer to the Ritual marker you were when the sacrifice was made, the more power you gained. So if the portals are strong enough to reinvigorate him as though he attended a ritual.. how far away from the Marker would he be? Perhaps, it's equal to standing at the back for him.

I say "for him" for a reason, mind you. You ever watched Dragonball Z? Young Justice? Gohan is half-Saiyan, yet his power is mysteriously greater because of it. Superboy is half human, this prevents him from using his full Kryptonian powers. However, when the human DNA is suppressed to stop interfering in his psyche, he becomes stronger than Superman, or a full Superman-DNA clone at least.
My point is, human/??? hybrids in fantasy have tendency to be.. stronger because of it. The same could be true for Moia. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

19-Sep-2016 04:52:36

Dennorak
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Sepulchre said :
Dennorak said :
The portals have been shown to be extremely powerful and capable of replacing rituals for the Mahjarrat. but what KIND of Ritual? I remember reading somewhere that the closer to the Ritual marker you were when the sacrifice was made, the more power you gained. So if the portals are strong enough to reinvigorate him as though he attended a ritual.. how far away from the Marker would he be? Perhaps, it's equal to standing at the back for him.

I say "for him" for a reason, mind you. You ever watched Dragonball Z? Young Justice? Gohan is half-Saiyan, yet his power is mysteriously greater because of it. Superboy is half human, this prevents him from using his full Kryptonian powers. However, when the human DNA is suppressed to stop interfering in his psyche, he becomes stronger than Superman, or a full Superman-DNA clone at least.
My point is, human/??? hybrids in fantasy have tendency to be.. stronger because of it. The same could be true for Moia.
I suppose it's possible the human in Moia makes her stronger in regards to the portals, we just haven't seen any proof or hints at that at all.
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19-Sep-2016 06:42:33

Sepulchre
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Dennorak said :
Sepulchre said :
Dennorak said :
The portals have been shown to be extremely powerful and capable of replacing rituals for the Mahjarrat. but what KIND of Ritual? I remember reading somewhere that the closer to the Ritual marker you were when the sacrifice was made, the more power you gained. So if the portals are strong enough to reinvigorate him as though he attended a ritual.. how far away from the Marker would he be? Perhaps, it's equal to standing at the back for him.

I say "for him" for a reason, mind you. You ever watched Dragonball Z? Young Justice? Gohan is half-Saiyan, yet his power is mysteriously greater because of it. Superboy is half human, this prevents him from using his full Kryptonian powers. However, when the human DNA is suppressed to stop interfering in his psyche, he becomes stronger than Superman, or a full Superman-DNA clone at least.
My point is, human/??? hybrids in fantasy have tendency to be.. stronger because of it. The same could be true for Moia.
I suppose it's possible the human in Moia makes her stronger in regards to the portals, we just haven't seen any proof or hints at that at all. Nor have we had any proof or hints to contradict it. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

19-Sep-2016 10:12:42

Zulkir

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Because Moia was specifically trained by Zamorak alone. How to harness the power of the portals properly, to hold onto the strength they gave her. That's why she's at the tier she is now.

Bilrach never had that alone time with Zamorak, he took the portals power and then murdered the Chelon-Mah. If anything it should stand as a testament to how powerful Azzanadras tier is.

There's obviously a wide, wide, gap as it took Sliske murdering Guthix and using the stone to even surpass it.
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19-Sep-2016 11:34:44

Hazeel

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Yeeeah...I'm not buying the idea that the tiers are that significant. If that were the case, Lucien should have been able to defeat all the Zarosians in a single attack and Azzanadra should have been able to beat all the Zamorakians in a minute. Instead Lucien is struggling to beat one of the lowest tier Mahjarrat and Azzanadra was losing to Zemourgal and needed back up.

Now if the tiers aren't all that significant, this could be passed aside. Since it includes intelligence and political influence, one could just say Wahisietel is actually really strong, but is low on the list because nobody respects him and he's incredibly dense. Likewise, you could say Azzanadra has more authority over his side of the Mahjarrat than Zemourgal, but isn't that much stronger if at all. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

19-Sep-2016 16:04:57 - Last edited on 19-Sep-2016 16:07:40 by Hazeel

SixOfOne
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Don't take Fotg as a representation of the Mahjarrat's strength. Remember that Sir Tiffy was able to fight Khazard in that quest which shouldn't really be possible even if Khazard was weak.

Lorewise Azzanadra and Sliske are the strongest mahjarrat at the moment. I believe that Mod Osbourne said in the last Lore Q&A that the strongest 'mortal' character in game right now would be a 'straight up fight between Azzanadra and Sliske' I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

19-Sep-2016 17:08:04

Hazeel

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SixOfOne said :
Don't take Fotg as a representation of the Mahjarrat's strength. Remember that Sir Tiffy was able to fight Khazard in that quest which shouldn't really be possible even if Khazard was weak.

Why not? He's had decades of experience while we, a novice adventurer, were not only able to fight, but beat Khazard in one of our earliest quests. Not only that, but we were able to beat Enakhra and Zemourgal with only a year's experience.

While the majority of humans are insignificant weaklings, roughly on par with an imp (or below) I woud say there is a group of significant humans who have overcome this weakness and can stand toe to toe with the likes of Mahjarrat, Vyres, and Demon. These "Super Humans" would include the WG, WOM, Tiffy, Nomad, Solus, Viggora, etc. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

19-Sep-2016 18:51:15 - Last edited on 19-Sep-2016 18:51:48 by Hazeel

Maiden China

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Hazeel said :
Yeeeah...I'm not buying the idea that the tiers are that significant.
*uses rotm fights to back that up* and I'm not buying that the fights in rotm are canonically accurate as shown in game. There's no way tiffy's going to be beating one mahjarrat, let alone two and that throws all the fights into question (the ones going on while you're killing people, not the ones like arrav vs zemouregal or lucein vs the dragonkin)

that being said, I doubt lucien was 'feared' before he got the staff. Everyone seems to think of him as being a weakling who has a few special skills that make him useful

That you think Tiffy is a 'super-human' is laughable. He's an old man, skilled for a temple knight, maybe, but weaker than he used to be and he was never a great warrior... definitely not on par with demons or mahjarrat. His power is his mind.

gameplay. gameplay. gameplay. also gameplay. gameplay again.
gameplay is not lore and shouldn't be taken as such. (that words disgusts me now as much as humans disgust hazeel :( )

Deltaslug said :
He's a mahjarrat. It doesn't matter what tier he is. He is still dangerous. it matters
have you read the lores and histories thing on bilrach?
the dude seems like he rivals gods
here is a link, which I hope I'm allowed to post since it just goes to a part of the runescape site
https://www.runescape.com/lore/daemonheim-asunder Carn

20-Sep-2016 00:28:59 - Last edited on 20-Sep-2016 00:35:57 by Maiden China

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