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A Mad Hatter
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Profiled. Looks great so far but I'm gonna have a closer look later when I'm more awake for it. :s
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14-Apr-2016 03:35:59

Penny Drakis

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Well isn't this a nice compendium!

Ummm, anyhow.

I really doubt the the source text or even folk traditions from which Tumeken's Dream comes from are from the Second Age at all. It is likely a story/poem/song that was made up in the middle to late Third Age at the earliest . It is more likely from the early Fourth Age. It already shows ignorance on the part of the teller of the tale of the Kharidian Peninsula's more lush days. Tumeken's nova happened long enough ago that people have already forgotten it and the environmental destruction it caused, yet Ullek is still a fresh memory. Surprisingly, Al-Kharid gets a good mention, but the specific mention of Al-Kharid may have been a late addition to the story by partisans who wanted to cement Al-Kharid's place in history and the Mirza claim to legitimacy.

Also, I am doubtful that Amascut accompanied Icthlarin and the Mahjarrat back to Gielinor. At least, Bilrach's memory makes it sound that they left her on Freneskae in their hurry to escape.
MORE GUILT AND ANGST FOR ICTHLARIN! SUFFER, YOU MANGY MUTT!
*ahem* Admittedly, it is possible that one of them went back for her, or that she somehow escaped on her own and caught up with them
LIKE A TOTAL BOSS BADASS
and arrived on Gielinor with them. But my pet theory is that she didn't come back with them but still escaped and made it to Gielinor on her own
LIKE A BOSS
...

... but in time to watch Tumeken go KERSPLOOEY, according to Icthlarin's memory of it during the 2015 Hollowe'en event. Ugh, rereading that transcript is creepy.

Hey, does anyone think it odd that you can't ask Icthlarin about the Kharidian afterlife? Humility is self-destruction, pride is the destruction of all else. And He said, "
Let there be light.
"
And then there were none .

14-Apr-2016 04:41:10 - Last edited on 14-Apr-2016 04:43:05 by Penny Drakis

Captain Lime
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Penny Drakis said :
It is likely a story/poem/song that was made up in the middle to late Third Age at the earliest . It is more likely from the early Fourth Age.

Yes. The Modern Version of the story DEFINITELY came from some point in the fourth age, but I don't think that this is the first "Tumeken's Dream". The Menaphite Religion has been Institutionalized since the Second Age - there had to be some version of Tumeken's dream floating around out there. The fact that there are several different tellings of the Dream of Scabaras confirms this. Good catch!

In addition, you have to remember that while Tumeken's Scourging was a major event, it occurred 6,500 years ago. Meanwhile, Ullek was destroyed maybe 2,500 years ago maximum. 4,000 years can really wipe out a memory.

Also, I think the Al-Kharid mention there is just an in-game anachronism. We know that a village (or, more confusingly, several) existed where Al-Kharid currently stands. The updated version of the story may have just filled in the updated name. If it was made to teach children, saying "Al-Kharid" is a much briefer way to explain where roughly Het came from.

Penny Drakis said :
In time to watch Tumeken go KERSPLOOEY, according to Icthlarin's memory of it during the 2015 Hollowe'en event. Ugh, rereading that transcript is creepy.


That exact point in the story gave me so many headaches in writing this thread - the fact that we get so many different accounts, including several conflicting ones from Icthlarin of all people, is mental.

Penny Drakis said :

Hey, does anyone think it odd that you can't ask Icthlarin about the Kharidian afterlife?

-.-' @ jagex ^ "Some of those words were
STUPID.
" - Mod Raven

14-Apr-2016 05:06:51 - Last edited on 14-Apr-2016 05:11:26 by Captain Lime

AttilaSquare

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This is great work, a massive amount of gathered lore!

I have a couple things in mind that could be added: something about Azzanadra's last march and imprisonment and the remaining Zarosians among the bandits - I can't remember where all this lore comes from - and a list of the major ancient structures - the pyramids and their fun names and the duel arena, which was, I think, a temple for Het.

Anyways, this has gotten me much more excited about desert lore than I have been for a long time.

15-Apr-2016 04:43:19 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 04:43:33 by AttilaSquare

Captain Lime
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Yeah, I learned while building this thread is that there's no really good way of summarizing 12,000 years of history, even if nothing happened for long bouts of those 12,000 years. :D

There are a bunch of things I wish I did - I mostly wish I talked more about Ali Morrisane and Icthlarin! I didn't much talk about the Mahjarrat during this thread (they have a way of hijacking topics), but I suppose the last Zarosians did deserve more mention than I gave them. They are an important ongoing issue! I'm not sure how much of a use a list of all ancient Menaphite structures would be. There are quite a few things (along with that laundry list of wonders in Menaphos), but they seem more like luxuries than anything. I suppose I could also talk about Uzer and Ullek, being the most important ancient Menaphite Structures, but still... I prefer for those buildings to be talked about on their own merits than in part of a lexicon. Then again, I did have a bios section, so it does make sense...

Thanks for your input! It's some interesting things to think about. ^ "Some of those words were
STUPID.
" - Mod Raven

15-Apr-2016 05:23:30 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 05:25:24 by Captain Lime

Voya
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Amazing and really interesting thread. Even though some of the details rely slightly on speculation (which I think is necessary for a thread like this), I think this reflects the desert timeline quite well.

I really wish we could have another desert quest soon - there is so much potential in the series, and so much more to be discovered.
Voya
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A lorehound, Quest Master and owner of three Quest Capes.

15-Apr-2016 18:14:03

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