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Hazeel

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Guthix's curse is irrelevant. We've taken energy from the stone before TWW. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

27-May-2016 04:28:14

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Sepulchre

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Trib said :
Also worth noting that Sliske is definitely not fully devoted to whatever this entity is. The voice in the cutscene seemed to be rather urgent about bringing the Gods together without, I believe the wording was, "a blunder". However, Sliske set the end date for his games on the date of a solar eclipse, where notably Gielinor will be covered in shadows. To me this shows that Sliske still has a trick up his sleeve, and one that the Mysterious Voice entity is apparently not privy to.

P.S. No one wants to bite on my origin of the Dominion Tower/ possible Strange Face lordship over Sliske theory? ;P Your theory of the Strange Face of the Dominion Tower being his master is better than quite a number of theories I've heard, so no. A

World Guardian

must learn to find

Balance

in themselves.
Only then can they

Control

themselves and forge their own

Fate .

27-May-2016 06:21:48

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Raleirosen said :
Aterivus said :
I feel like any Dragonkin would be highly aware of the Stone's allure to others, especially Gods. Even if it would be a particularly-inactive Dragonkin, it's felt the effects of others using it throughout history - be it the Gods, the Kethsians, or what have you. With a history of False Users, I doubt a Dragonkin would require any confirmation of the stone's ability to tantalize anyone.
1) I think it's clear that the voice wasn't referring to the Stone itself, but whatever Sliske was or is planning to do with it
2) many of the Dragonkin also seem to be rather dimwitted The real question is why the 'Master' wants the gods to be gathered. Dragonkin? They want the big Z and Papa Smurf there, they're both False Users. The Godless? Maybe, as having all the Gods in one place would make it easy to get rid of them all, but who in the Godless would act like that and be able to convince Sliske to work for them? I adamantly refuse to believe it to be Zaros, for obvious reasons. It's not Xau-Tak (BOO***OOO). Not an Elder God, they referred to the Siphon as 'the Staff,' which is not what the Elders call it (Zaros also calls it the Siphon). I've exhausted my options.. except for one... but THAT'S impossible... A

World Guardian

must learn to find

Balance

in themselves.
Only then can they

Control

themselves and forge their own

Fate .

27-May-2016 06:28:13

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Kemtros said :
Rondstat said :
I think there IS a set order in which the 6th Age quests take place, just the approach to skew more lenient with quest requirements these days makes that order more vague. I would assume that, canonically, Zaros' return is set well before the Sliske endgame series, but it has little enough narrative impact that it doesn't matter gameplay wise.

Raven said that Nomad's Elegy and Kindred Spirits could be played in either order, and I think that could work from a narrative perspective, so I'd be willing to believe that Fate of the Gods and Kindred Spirits could also go in either order.

The issue is that Fate of the Gods has to be before Nomad's Elegy, since Fate of the Gods is set before The Mighty Fall. So the timeline could potentially go Kindred Spirits -> Fate of the Gods -> The Mighty Fall -> Nomad's Elegy. And you could probably fit Dishonour Among Thieves anywhere before Nomad's Elegy. Well that's idiotic. It's a quest LINE. There has to be some semblance of Order (God, what am I, Saradominist?) in a quest LINE. That's why it's a LINE. A

World Guardian

must learn to find

Balance

in themselves.
Only then can they

Control

themselves and forge their own

Fate .

27-May-2016 06:29:57 - Last edited on 27-May-2016 06:30:17 by Sepulchre

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Cthris

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Okay first of all I don't believe the voice is Sliske's master. Now I recognize that the voice is quite demanding, and Sliske even says I live to serve. But Sliske has always been very sarcastic so I doubt that he actually serves the voice. I think the only connection between the two is that the voice has made a deal with Sliske.

So with keeping in mind that it's still quite possible that Sliske is still independent, I'll go over a few of my own theories about who this partner could be.

So this is what we know:

-The voice calls the Siphon by its mortal name. This implies that the Voice is not part of the older individuals in the universe. (Elder gods and their servants etc.) but is a mortal.
-that the voice knows a lot about how the staff works.
-They also apparently are incapable doing whatever it is they want themselves, which is why Sliske is doing it for them.
-that there was a book talking about how to displace souls. Further implied by Sliske's diagram.
-that Sliske recently went to the asylum for some reason
-that there is adevice that effects that focuses the shadow realm
- that there is the existence of two things that need to be made more compatible which is implied to be done through Sliske's game which forced the World Guardian to embrace being an arrogant, zamorakian bully.

I think the answer is Viggora.
-In DaT, Sliske implies he has a spy in Zamoraks ranks because he is so certain that the stone will be discovered, and Viggora is the one to discover it.
-Viggora also has a connection to both the shadow realm and the staff, but can't use it because he is a ghost
-Normally, he's lost his mind, but it's not impossible that the shadow focus helps him keep his sanity. Sliske recently visited Nabor's asylum, perhaps for research to help Viggora.
-Most importantly, Viggora is an arrogant Zamorakian bully who is in need of a body.

Perhaps Sliske offered him a body, and to bring the gods together in return for som

27-May-2016 08:19:32 - Last edited on 27-May-2016 08:23:29 by Cthris

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Sepulchre

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I'm not going for Viggora, and I'm convinced Sliske is the subservient one here, not just because none of the Jmods (even the ones who like to teasingly mindf*** us) have questioned that fact when we all ask them about who the Master is, but because of the way the person talks.. They seem to talk like someone who is in control, and Sliske doesn't do anything to stop it. That's not who Sliske is.
That being said, Kastor, I feel like you're on the right track. Somebody who needs a body is most likely to be someone who doesn't have one. It's not the incorporeal Elder, because 'Staff' not 'Siphon.' However, to know how it works, one would have to be in contact with the Siphon for longer than Viggora was. A mere human couldn't learn so much about the Siphon in so little time. Nabor's research on Insanity was also still in the Asylum when we went there, so Sliske most likely didn't go there for that. My guess is more likely that Sliske went there to visit Nabor.. maybe it's Nabor he's been talking to? A

World Guardian

must learn to find

Balance

in themselves.
Only then can they

Control

themselves and forge their own

Fate .

27-May-2016 08:37:32

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Sepulchre

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Control... The point of the games was to make us be more CONTROLLING by forcing us to make decisions FOR the Brothers.

... Control.... A

World Guardian

must learn to find

Balance

in themselves.
Only then can they

Control

themselves and forge their own

Fate .

27-May-2016 08:38:34

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Hums

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I preface this reply by saying that I have not had time to read all the 15 pages before me. I've gleaned the essential details though, and wish to present my ideas.

1) The Unknown has extensive knowledge of Elder Artefacts due to the insight to the Siphon
2) The SoJ is the purest expression of Jas, goddess of time's power as it is of her (egg)
3) The SoJ was used to make all other Elder artefacts
4) The Unknown voice is deadpan, cares not for pointless blabber and only has an end goal
5) This end goal appears to involve drawing together all the gods/dragonkin
6) The book on Souls in the quest posits that the Human soul can be extracted, per the end of the quest
7) "if one could find a compatible host, it could conceivably be possible to transfer a soul to the new host"
8) We know that when ascending to godhood, the Gods give up their afterlife. This implies that something happens to their soul so that, unlike a human, it could not be extracted. - I think we sort of knew this from the Soul Obelisk and Nomads Eulogy

Now, with the image of the SoJ fragmenting in the concept in the back of my mind, It stands to reason, for me, that throughout the years, the 'hard boiling' of the Stone did not render it a dead thing.

Instead, although the body may be gone, we have been told Elder Gods are immortal, not withstanding that they have enough Anima to hatch. Zaros describes the 6th Elder God as 'not being of form, but rather "something else"'.

Being unable to kill the egg, the soul of an elder God lives on in no form, but something else. Inexorably linked to the SoJ as a tether with no other body to move into (this may form part of its plans.)

Accordingly, it is my estimation that the

Mysterious Voice

is number 6, tethered to the Stone of Jas, the reason that the Dragon kin can always locate it, the reason how they know a User is False as it calls out to them. All knowing about the elder artefacts because it was there. A soul.

~J

The Right Honourable, The Lord Hums of Senntisten, Pontifex Maximus & Praetorians Principale* of the Zarosian Empire

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27-May-2016 17:26:32

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Hums

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Expanding on what I wrote above:

- Maybe this theory would explain the difference between False Users and Stone-touchers.

Those who have souls....and those who do not. Jas tasked the Dragonkin with preventing any one with no soul from using the Stone to such an extent that they were able to be a body for the Sixth? (Literally just spitballing now)

Therefore, all gods and ascenders are False Users...meanwhile we, the World Guardian, having touched the stone 3/4? times remain a Stone-toucher.

The Right Honourable, The Lord Hums of Senntisten, Pontifex Maximus & Praetorians Principale* of the Zarosian Empire

@RS_Hums. RuneFest '14 & '15; '19/GameBlast '15 attendee

27-May-2016 18:02:46

Raleirosen

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Hazeel said :
Guthix's curse is irrelevant. We've taken energy from the stone before TWW.
We didn't permanently absorb any of that energy, though.

Sepulchre said :
Dragonkin? They want the big Z and Papa Smurf there
I think you mean Lil Z. Big Z would be Zaros.

Cthris said :
I think the answer is Viggora.
Interesting guess... that would actually be pretty damn cool. The game needs more Viggora content anyway. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

27-May-2016 18:30:52 - Last edited on 27-May-2016 18:32:01 by Raleirosen

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