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Hguoh

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Miu said :
Sliske's master definitely sounds similar to Zaros, or at least someone or something relevant to the elder gods and their tools. Perhaps an artifact itself, perhaps the sixth elder god, maybe a dragonkin, but I'm betting on Zaros.

Considering we know that Sliske didn't make a journal about Zaros excommunicating him, and he wasn't truly angry until we saw his secrets, it's very possible the excommunication was a ruse he had planned with Zaros. He seemed more upset at the Easter Bunny than having Zaros abandon him.

That's more of an issue with KS not requiring Fot* (so Fot* can happen after KS and Sliske might not yet be excommunicated for every one).

27-May-2016 00:29:59

Rondstat

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Hguoh said :
Miu said :
Sliske's master definitely sounds similar to Zaros, or at least someone or something relevant to the elder gods and their tools. Perhaps an artifact itself, perhaps the sixth elder god, maybe a dragonkin, but I'm betting on Zaros.

Considering we know that Sliske didn't make a journal about Zaros excommunicating him, and he wasn't truly angry until we saw his secrets, it's very possible the excommunication was a ruse he had planned with Zaros. He seemed more upset at the Easter Bunny than having Zaros abandon him.

That's more of an issue with KS not requiring Fot* (so Fot* can happen after KS and Sliske might not yet be excommunicated for every one).

I think there IS a set order in which the 6th Age quests take place, just the approach to skew more lenient with quest requirements these days makes that order more vague. I would assume that, canonically, Zaros' return is set well before the Sliske endgame series, but it has little enough narrative impact that it doesn't matter gameplay wise.

Also, regarding the Dragonkin argument on the previous page. Would the Kin work with a False User? They wouldn't like it, but Kerapac and Phalaks had no problem (some problems) working with us. Besides that - is Sliske a False User ? Sure, he claims to have used the Stone, but he's not exactly known for telling the truth, and the only evidence we have outside of Sliske for his use of the Catalyst is Strisath yelling 'False User' - in a room full of False Users .

Regardless of who Sliske's master is, I think it's pretty safe to assume that he's not serving them so much as maintaining that guise to reap some personal benefit. He'd probably have a lot to gain from the oldest creatures in the multiverse, who've dedicated countless millenia to researching the Elders and the Artefacts.

27-May-2016 01:13:21

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I thought the difference between a False User and a Stonetoucher was that a False User was someone who knowingly used the Catalyst to gain power. While a Stonetoucher was somebody who used the Catalyst only to gain knowledge, or at the very least touched the stone (hence the name Stonetoucher) and siphoned power accidentally?
A False User is someone who absorbs power from the Stone. If you just poke it without taking the power into yourself, you're a Stonetoucher.

Zimzams and Smurfledore took power from the Stone in order to ascend/gain more divine strength. The player (and possibly Sliske) simply acted as a conduit and let the Stone's power course through him/her, making it a temporary boost. If I recall, Guthix's blessing/curse prevents us from absorbing power from the Stone. If Sliske is also a Stonetoucher (why wouldn't he be?), then I'd theorize that what you do with the Stone's power is a conscious choice... or, he's a Guardian of Guthix with restrictions similar to ours. Take your pick.
I direct you to that particular discussion regarding Sliske's use of the Stone. If I'm correct and Sliske is merely a Stonetoucher, then I doubt that any Dragonkin would have serious compunctions about working with him, given that as a Stonetoucher ourselves we've been the target of little more than collateral damage and contempt. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

27-May-2016 01:24:48 - Last edited on 27-May-2016 01:28:48 by Raleirosen

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My biggest issue with it being a Dragonkin is how it asked Sliske if the Stone would bring the Gods together.

I feel like any Dragonkin would be highly aware of the Stone's allure to others, especially Gods. Even if it would be a particularly-inactive Dragonkin, it's felt the effects of others using it throughout history - be it the Gods, the Kethsians, or what have you. With a history of False Users, I doubt a Dragonkin would require any confirmation of the stone's ability to tantalize anyone. " All great changes are preceded by chaos. "

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27-May-2016 01:33:13

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Aterivus said :
I feel like any Dragonkin would be highly aware of the Stone's allure to others, especially Gods. Even if it would be a particularly-inactive Dragonkin, it's felt the effects of others using it throughout history - be it the Gods, the Kethsians, or what have you. With a history of False Users, I doubt a Dragonkin would require any confirmation of the stone's ability to tantalize anyone.
1) I think it's clear that the voice wasn't referring to the Stone itself, but whatever Sliske was or is planning to do with it
2) many of the Dragonkin also seem to be rather dimwitted Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

27-May-2016 01:38:55

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Rondstat said :
I think there IS a set order in which the 6th Age quests take place, just the approach to skew more lenient with quest requirements these days makes that order more vague. I would assume that, canonically, Zaros' return is set well before the Sliske endgame series, but it has little enough narrative impact that it doesn't matter gameplay wise.

Raven said that Nomad's Elegy and Kindred Spirits could be played in either order, and I think that could work from a narrative perspective, so I'd be willing to believe that Fate of the Gods and Kindred Spirits could also go in either order.

The issue is that Fate of the Gods has to be before Nomad's Elegy, since Fate of the Gods is set before The Mighty Fall. So the timeline could potentially go Kindred Spirits -> Fate of the Gods -> The Mighty Fall -> Nomad's Elegy. And you could probably fit Dishonour Among Thieves anywhere before Nomad's Elegy.

27-May-2016 01:39:50

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Aterivus said :
My biggest issue with it being a Dragonkin is how it asked Sliske if the Stone would bring the Gods together.

I feel like any Dragonkin would be highly aware of the Stone's allure to others, especially Gods. Even if it would be a particularly-inactive Dragonkin, it's felt the effects of others using it throughout history - be it the Gods, the Kethsians, or what have you. With a history of False Users, I doubt a Dragonkin would require any confirmation of the stone's ability to tantalize anyone.

To me, this falls into willing suspension of disbelief. Less about the character's uncertainty at whether the Gods will gather, and more the developers wanting to make it clear to us that this unknown entity has a vested interest in the gods gathering. It may be a little unnatural and expositional, but over-expositional dialogue is kind of a major thing of villains.

27-May-2016 01:39:55

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Rondstat said :
It may be a little unnatural and expositional, but over-expositional dialogue is kind of a major thing of villains.

Villainous monologue in the Endgame, incoming. " All great changes are preceded by chaos. "

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27-May-2016 01:51:07

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Also worth noting that Sliske is definitely not fully devoted to whatever this entity is. The voice in the cutscene seemed to be rather urgent about bringing the Gods together without, I believe the wording was, "a blunder". However, Sliske set the end date for his games on the date of a solar eclipse, where notably Gielinor will be covered in shadows. To me this shows that Sliske still has a trick up his sleeve, and one that the Mysterious Voice entity is apparently not privy to.

P.S. No one wants to bite on my origin of the Dominion Tower/ possible Strange Face lordship over Sliske theory? ;P

27-May-2016 02:03:51

Hguoh

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Rondstat said :
Hguoh said :
Miu said :
Sliske's master definitely sounds similar to Zaros, or at least someone or something relevant to the elder gods and their tools. Perhaps an artifact itself, perhaps the sixth elder god, maybe a dragonkin, but I'm betting on Zaros.

Considering we know that Sliske didn't make a journal about Zaros excommunicating him, and he wasn't truly angry until we saw his secrets, it's very possible the excommunication was a ruse he had planned with Zaros. He seemed more upset at the Easter Bunny than having Zaros abandon him.

That's more of an issue with KS not requiring Fot* (so Fot* can happen after KS and Sliske might not yet be excommunicated for every one).

I think there IS a set order in which the 6th Age quests take place, just the approach to skew more lenient with quest requirements these days makes that order more vague. I would assume that, canonically, Zaros' return is set well before the Sliske endgame series, but it has little enough narrative impact that it doesn't matter gameplay wise.

Even if you take that approach to it (which has no support behind it), it still doesn't make sense for it to be Zaros. We would already know what his voice sounds like, so if it was Zaros we'd have recognized the voice (there's no reason for the speaker to disguise their voice when the recording was not meant o be seen by anybody other than Sliske or the speaker).

27-May-2016 02:32:06 - Last edited on 27-May-2016 02:33:12 by Hguoh

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