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Jul

2015

Uncle Harper

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Zulkir said :
Uncle Harper said :
Zulkir said :
Doubtful the Obsidian tribunal is actually related to these new "Characters"

Kidnapping is a very mortal way of getting to someone, it's leverage.

Xau-Tak doesn't need leverage on Saradomin, he doesn't need leverage on anyone, That would bring Xau-Tak down from this mythical creature to some petty creature that needed to hold someone as lowly as Saradomin back with a ransom.

No, the Obsidian Tribunal is likely what the Magisters of Teragard either now refer to themselves as or how they are present day known. It makes sense really, he'd just get in their way and if we can take on Oreb single handed it's clear that they couldn't fight a tier 3 head on.

At least, that's how I see it.

Maybe she was taken to become something more. But her status as "above a normal mortal" allowed her to resist the change. Thats just a theory, I agree with you the Obsidian Tribunal does not sound like a Xau-tak related faction. Zaros and Seren both know of them and show little regard, I feel like if they were connected to Xau, Zaros and Seren may show more concern.

I wonder what those two would have to say if we asked them about Xau-Tak.

Zaros: There is a chamber in the heart of this world. Within it lie the remnants of others, like Mah ... but more so. It was easy enough to find the memories, when you look carefully enough. Six of them, five of form and one of ... something else. The Elder Gods. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

15-Mar-2018 17:45:00

Jun

2016

SonofZeruiah

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Personally, I doubt that Xau-Tak is an elder god, even if he draws from cthulian lore and the lovecraft idea of these deities being beyond any meaningful interaction. I admit, I could be wrong here, but I believe such a reveal would be lame, as I already view the other elder gods as completely boring and uninteresting, they are beyond us and don't care about us one way or another (I know they view us as a mistake, but for me, thats the same as "I don't care" ).

I also like the theory on the obsidian tribunal being tied to Jermyn's deities. I get that they could be tied to the Magisters, but I don't see this other connection as being completely wrong.

I also must agree that Xau-Tak (and the Queen of Ashes) need to be kept from being a god we already know, just in a different form.

All that said, however, I wonder if any or all of these deities are the Karamja gods that have so far gone unnamed or anything else outside of a single, offhand mention of existing.

17-Mar-2018 15:18:30

Aug

2020

Solmestix

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SonofZeruiah said :
Personally, I doubt that Xau-Tak is an elder god, even if he draws from cthulian lore and the lovecraft idea of these deities being beyond any meaningful interaction. I admit, I could be wrong here, but I believe such a reveal would be lame, as I already view the other elder gods as completely boring and uninteresting, they are beyond us and don't care about us one way or another (I know they view us as a mistake, but for me, thats the same as "I don't care" ).

I also like the theory on the obsidian tribunal being tied to Jermyn's deities. I get that they could be tied to the Magisters, but I don't see this other connection as being completely wrong.

I also must agree that Xau-Tak (and the Queen of Ashes) need to be kept from being a god we already know, just in a different form.

All that said, however, I wonder if any or all of these deities are the Karamja gods that have so far gone unnamed or anything else outside of a single, offhand mention of existing.

To be honest i don't even think that ,if Xau-Tak is the '6th elder', he will count as one anyways. So far we think he is gonna be a type of god we can't comprehend, so perhaps due to an unnatural and irregular birthing on Freneskae, He is completely seperate from basic understanding even the Elder gods have, he is something the Universe only has one of, he's the One Unique being in existance.

17-Mar-2018 21:11:46

Aug

2020

Solmestix

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The Karamjan Gods are also probably just folk-lore, inspired by 'herbal dreams' those shamans might have, we know those Herbs in Jungle Potion do something ...
If the karamjan gods went this long unmentioned, then chances are that Jagex has just forgotten, which i find slightly improbable, or they aren't actually Gods. Or real.

17-Mar-2018 21:13:21

Hguoh

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Uncle Harper said :
Zaros: There is a chamber in the heart of this world. Within it lie the remnants of others, like Mah ... but more so. It was easy enough to find the memories, when you look carefully enough. Six of them, five of form and one of ... something else. The Elder Gods.

And in that chamber, we see 5 remnants of elder god eggs. And we know of a 6th elder god egg that was also there: Jas's 'future' that she turned into the Catalyst.

We actually have a known, confirmed link between the elder gods, Freneskae, and the Stone of Jas.

When it comes to Xau-Tak, however, we've had nothing to connect it to Freneskae or the elders.

Now, it could very well be the case that Xau-Tak is the '6th elder god,' but there's nothing to support that conclusion at this time given what we actually know.

17-Mar-2018 21:24:43

Jun

2010

Half Centaur

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I'm convinced Yogsathla- the lunar diety that's represented as a huge eye- is actually Ocularis, the stalker father/moon.

Also, pretty sure since they're so connected to apes and everything, the mwanu are a corrupted form of Marimbo's original species ancestor (the blue faced apes, which also is the one from the monkey skull greegree).

Another thing- The Dagganoth are also strongly connected to Lovecraft. I could imagine them as creations/corruptions of Uvhastur.

That way we have most of the Lovecraftian Runescape pantheon connected to one of the lovecraftian inspired species. The Stalkers, the dagganoth, and the horror- and the remaining god tied to the undead with the skeletal horror. "We call it being a hero"

"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

17-Mar-2018 23:03:28 - Last edited on 17-Mar-2018 23:15:03 by Half Centaur

Hguoh

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Half Centaur said :
I'm convinced Yogsathla- the lunar diety that's represented as a huge eye- is actually Ocularis, the stalker father/moon.

That would explain how the Seeker Synapse ended up in the Skull Region so far from Daemonheim (the Horrors did end up in the Cursed Archipelago after all, which is pretty close to the Eastern Lands).

Half Centaur said :
Another thing- The Dagganoth are also strongly connected to Lovecraft. I could imagine them as creations/corruptions of Uvhastur.

The only issue with connecting Dagganoth to Xau-Tak is that the only source we have even remotely positing that Xau-Tak was ever maybe active in that area is a book in OSRS's Myth's Guild (The Fall of Imcandoria).

18-Mar-2018 01:17:30

Dec

2023

Cthris

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Hguoh said :

The only issue with connecting Dagganoth to Xau-Tak is that the only source we have even remotely positing that Xau-Tak was ever maybe active in that area is a book in OSRS's Myth's Guild (The Fall of Imcandoria).
Perhaps, but perhaps not. Consider the prophecy tablet from the fremmy quest line:

"All-consuming darkness will rise from the sea, unleashed by Good Intent.
The lost Mother is dead, her Daughter risen in her place.
Wits and Skills will bring the Light; fate does not dictate.
When the tide is strongest, Good Intent will be needed once more.
And his/her name will be [Fremennik name]."

An all-consuming darkness... Sounds a bit like Xau-Tak to me, not to mention that prophecy picks out the world guardian by name. Again, much like Xua-Tak.

Perhaps there is a connection.

18-Mar-2018 03:14:48 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2018 03:15:03 by Cthris

Nov

2013

Inque

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I'm not even sure if Uvhastur, Nyarlahydra, and Yogsathla actually exist or are mythological characters created by the Mwanu. I mean, Tezcasathla's own existence is questionable at best.

What I think is interesting in the game's universe is that there are actual gods that really exist, and then there's "gods" as we know them in real life: stories and folktales made up to explain stuff.

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18-Mar-2018 07:06:44

Hguoh

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Cthris said :
Hguoh said :

The only issue with connecting Dagganoth to Xau-Tak is that the only source we have even remotely positing that Xau-Tak was ever maybe active in that area is a book in OSRS's Myth's Guild (The Fall of Imcandoria).
Perhaps, but perhaps not. Consider the prophecy tablet from the fremmy quest line:

"All-consuming darkness will rise from the sea, unleashed by Good Intent.
The lost Mother is dead, her Daughter risen in her place.
Wits and Skills will bring the Light; fate does not dictate.
When the tide is strongest, Good Intent will be needed once more.
And his/her name will be [Fremennik name]."

An all-consuming darkness... Sounds a bit like Xau-Tak to me, not to mention that prophecy picks out the world guardian by name. Again, much like Xua-Tak.

Perhaps there is a connection.

The prophecy tablet is talking about the player's interactions with the Dagganoth.

We kill a Dagganoth Mother in Horror from the Deep in an attempt to help find Larrissa's missing boyfriend. This allows a new Dagganoth Mother to rise and lead the Dagganoth against the Fremennik. The third line refers to us rescuing King Vargas from Waterbirth, our full death in the process, and our subsequent return to life. Just as we first unleashed the Dagganoth, so too were we needed to trap the new Dagganoth Mother. And then it says that we will be the ones to do these things.

And a prophecy mentioning us would be more notable if it were found in an area of the world that didn't have Seers we know can see the future. So while they could be Xau-Tak related, nothing about the prophecy indicates this.

18-Mar-2018 11:04:14

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