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Maiden China said :
I wonder how old Azzy is... According to the unofficial wiki, the five ages Gielinor had lasted for about 12.000 years so far, and as the becoming of the Mahjarrat is listed pre-first age, Azzanadra is supposed to be older than that. How much older depends on which generation he was born in.

Maiden China said :
that means he's hiding stuff from me though... and hiding stuff from Wahi because wahi doesn't know anything about Mah or the Muspah... or the rituals Doesn't know anything might be a bit of "bad wording" there. He just thinks them to be legends. But in Fate of the Gods when talking with Azzanadra after reaching Mah, I think he utters "it is said" too many times to be a Mahjarrat that is a "first generation" one. Meaning that he doesn't know these things himself, just based on what has passed down in generations. (But that's just what I think.)

Maiden China said :
maybe that explains why Zaros didnt invite him to that sliske-banishing and zaros-returning event
and azzy has been hiding stuff from wahi so long that it's become second nature to him and he doesnt even realize he's doing it Or it's due to the fact that Wahisietel has already been doubting the existence of Mah and the Muspah. I mean Azzanadra, Nex and Char are all believing in Zaros kinda blindly, and maybe that's what Zaros needs the most, a doubter doesn't really fit in his closest circle. But just my thoughts on this.

The Green World Guardian of Guthix and of Gielinor

09-Jan-2016 21:12:24 - Last edited on 18-Aug-2016 18:48:18 by Allarla

Well, that already makes him older than gandalf. Less epic beard though. (at the very least 'almost as old')

Ah, maybe not 'bad wording' but exaggerated, definitely. Obviously he's been quite helpful but he has also been wrong enough times to prompt a 'wahisietel knows nothing' thread (also exaggeration )

Oh, I did think that too a bit. Wahi's more of a scientist and he might not actually like Zaros all that much... although enough to make himself an enemy to the zamorakian mahjarrat
I dont know why azzy believes so much in zaros but I like him, so I would really like it to be for a good reason (I also really wouldn't mind azzy realizing zaros isnt perfect and turning against him, but whatever)
wahi the doubter Carn

11-Jan-2016 03:17:14 - Last edited on 11-Jan-2016 03:17:42 by Maiden China

Maiden China said :
Ah, maybe not 'bad wording' but exaggerated, definitely. Obviously he's been quite helpful but he has also been wrong enough times to prompt a 'wahisietel knows nothing' thread (also exaggeration ) Azzanadra is disappointed, Wahisietel is surprised all the time.

Maiden China said :
I dont know why azzy believes so much in zaros but I like him, so I would really like it to be for a good reason (I also really wouldn't mind azzy realizing zaros isnt perfect and turning against him, but whatever) Azzanadra is outraged at such a blasphemous idea!
Would answer that btw, but I could only give you my theory, nothing canonical unfortunately.

Maiden China said :
Oh, I did think that too a bit. Wahi's more of a scientist and he might not actually like Zaros all that much... although enough to make himself an enemy to the zamorakian mahjarrat I don't think either that we're talking about a total non-believer here, he's just less "enthusiastic" about it compared to Azzanadra, Nex and Char.

The Mather1 said :
Wahisietel was after all originally a Legatus, were he not loyal to Zaros and his ideology, he would have benefited more from joining the Zamorakians Unless he finds Zaros to be still a better option than Zamorak. (Btw was it just me who thought Wahi to be a pontifex? )

The Mather1 said :
Akthanakos, Soran and the bandits are all loyal as can be as well, but they were not present either. Zaros probably assumed Azzanadra would report to them, as he was already reporting from them to him, but Azzanadra failed to follow up. Azzanadra needs a secretary.
"Miss Goldpenny, please send a message to all Zarosian allies that our Lord has returned, thank you!"
Now imagine btw that final chat with all the bandits present too. Would have been a little crowded. (cont.)

The Green World Guardian of Guthix and of Gielinor

11-Jan-2016 14:09:11 - Last edited on 11-Jan-2016 14:16:01 by Allarla

(cont.) Maybe Eblis could have represented them but that's it. But I think the limited number of those present is because of two reasons.
In-game reason: Zaros wanted to keep his return a secret as much as possible. (Bit of a risky plan with kicking Sliske out and trusting us 100% that we'd keep our mouth shut about it, but hey, that was the idea. Although Nex is set on Sliske and Azzanadra is most likely set on us.) Still funny though that Azzanadra didn't inform Wahisietel. But we cannot say it's just an overlook since there's dialogue written that way, so it was meant to be, we just don't know yet why.
Irl reason: The more people present, the more work, programming, dialogue, graphics etc. the quest takes. I think Jagex likes to stick to only what is necessary at a time. (And I think btw that many other lore questions and speculations can be answered with this, and there's absolutely no lore reason behind many things in the game... :/)

The Green World Guardian of Guthix and of Gielinor

11-Jan-2016 14:27:11 - Last edited on 11-Jan-2016 14:32:54 by Allarla

Wahisietel is surprised that mah is real the muspah are real zaros is back it wasnt bilrach or moia who died the sheep in farmer fred's field is really penguins in disguise

I think the bandits are loyal more to azzy than to zaros, and that azzy doesn't really see them as part of his faction... more as pawns that can be useful sometimes (I get that vibe from when they're rebuilding the temple)

I wouldnt have taken wahi for a legatus but he's much too science-y to be a pontifex (didnt really think he was either... must have forgotten the books)

I saw that answer from many other people also (close enough, at least) (not that it's not yours, you almost certainly came up with it yourself) and it seems quite likely, I think Allarla said :
Azzanadra needs a secretary.
I volunteer as tribute! Carn

12-Jan-2016 02:18:23

Maiden China said :
Wahisietel is surprised that mah is real the muspah are real zaros is back it wasnt bilrach or moia who died the sheep in farmer fred's field is really penguins in disguise Wahisietel is suprised to learn that Sliske assassinated Guthix and it's the 6th Age since. He really should go out more.

Maiden China said :
I think the bandits are loyal more to azzy than to zaros, and that azzy doesn't really see them as part of his faction... more as pawns that can be useful sometimes (I get that vibe from when they're rebuilding the temple) Well, me here, I think they're loyal to Zaros, it's just that they look up to Azzanadra as the "most Zarosian" of the Zarosians, Champion of Zaros etc. and hold him in high honour and therefore do what he orders them to right away. (Even if Azzanadra is not messing with their minds as he does in The Temple at Senntisten, but I think in that case it was mostly because of "security reasons".) But of course Azzanadra thinks of them as pawns only. I think it's because Zaros thinks that too, but as well because the Mahjarrat imo tend to look down or not think much of the races that are not Mahjarrat. Azzanadra is just willing to be more polite and "generous" about it. (Won't wipe you out right away because he sees you as a lesser being.) But just remember that we managed to surprise him by doing what we did even though we're "just" humans. Otherwise we would have been taken as mere pawns too (if not even less, especially if we're not Zarosian :S). Maybe we still are, but now we're seen as a pawn that might make it to the other end of the chessboard and promote into something more, and therefore is taken into more consideration.

The Green World Guardian of Guthix and of Gielinor

12-Jan-2016 12:11:57

Maiden China said :
I wouldnt have taken wahi for a legatus but he's much too science-y to be a pontifex (didnt really think he was either... must have forgotten the books) The Mather1 said :
Well, keep in mind that the Legatus were officially ambassadors, not generals. In Wahisietel's case, this makes more sense, but just imagine Zamorak or Zemouregal as ambassadors, not generals. "Why hello, care to surrender? Yes? Good."
But I think Wahi couldn't have "gotten away" with being neither. Zaros wanted to reward them, and apart from the basic "if you're given, why not take it" part, I think it would have been sort of "unwise" not to take the position offered, I suppose I don't have to tell you why. And anyway, even his own kind would have found it awkward for Wahi to say "Nah, guys, thanks, but I don't want to be pontifex nor legatus, I'll just read some informative books and do science-y stuff here!". Would have won the "Sacrifice of the next Ritual" award right away, I'd say.

Maiden China said :
Allarla said :
Azzanadra needs a secretary.
I volunteer as tribute! Well, if you have excellent communication skills both verbal and written, are fluent in both the common tongue and freneskaean, can type 350 characters per minute, and are Zarosian, send your cv to the Temple at Senntisten.

The Green World Guardian of Guthix and of Gielinor

12-Jan-2016 12:12:15