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Padomenes

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Unicornz pwn said :
@Paedo
Armadyl, Seren, Zamorak, Saradomin all have positive lore associated with them too lol. The most negative thing associated with Saradomin at this point is you.
I think he means Zaros needs more negatives Yes that and also as in he has too much of a monopoly on positive content at the same time. Possible linked with that.

21-Dec-2016 08:05:52 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 08:08:52 by Padomenes

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Unicornz pwn

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Unicornz pwn said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Unicornz pwn said :
@Paedo
Armadyl, Seren, Zamorak, Saradomin all have positive lore associated with them too lol. The most negative thing associated with Saradomin at this point is you.
I think he means Zaros needs more negatives
I do not recommend guessing what he thinks. It's never very coherent.
I think this is a very clear one
Then it's a false premise because Zaros has plenty of negative lore. He's just incredibly powerful which Pado resents.

"Ego Te Provoco."

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21-Dec-2016 08:07:45

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Unicornz pwn

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Padomenes said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Unicornz pwn said :
@Paedo
Armadyl, Seren, Zamorak, Saradomin all have positive lore associated with them too lol. The most negative thing associated with Saradomin at this point is you.
I think he means Zaros needs more negatives Yes that and also as in he has too much of a monopoly on positive content at the same time.
Told you

"Ego Te Provoco."

The Hooded Zarosian

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21-Dec-2016 08:08:05

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ZAmorakZaros

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Unicornz pwn said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Unicornz pwn said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Unicornz pwn said :
@Paedo
Armadyl, Seren, Zamorak, Saradomin all have positive lore associated with them too lol. The most negative thing associated with Saradomin at this point is you.
I think he means Zaros needs more negatives
I do not recommend guessing what he thinks. It's never very coherent.
I think this is a very clear one
Then it's a false premise because Zaros has plenty of negative lore. He's just incredibly powerful which Pado resents.
I think the most negative lore Saradomin got from this quest was him being too similar to Zaros. What does that tell you? NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

21-Dec-2016 08:12:30

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ZAmorakZaros

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Padomenes said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
Unicornz pwn said :
@Paedo
Armadyl, Seren, Zamorak, Saradomin all have positive lore associated with them too lol. The most negative thing associated with Saradomin at this point is you.
I think he means Zaros needs more negatives Yes that and also as in he has too much of a monopoly on positive content at the same time. Possible linked with that.
He does not have a monopoly on it. There are other gods in need of negative lore too NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

21-Dec-2016 08:13:23

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T Ancalagon

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To those Saradominists who still seem to be able to justify and defend Saradomins violent assault on Garlandia I have this to say,

Perhaps you are right, Saradomin needed to show the Iceyne people how urgent and dire their situation was, perhaps he did need to convince them that fighting was their only chance of survival- Even though we only have Saradomins word on how hostile the enemy was, how unwilling they were to "talk" or negotiate, however, I will give Saradomin the benefit of the doubt and say the enemy in his scenario really were mindless, bloodthirsty monsters..
However If he, the supposed God of Wisdom, can only motivate his people/followers through a violent and monstrous act where he mutilated an innocent being (wanting to find a peaceful approach is not a crime) Then I'm sorry the guy is a monster, are you honestly saying he couldn't have found other ways to inspire the Iceyen?

His pride was hurt, she refused him and he reacted angrily, just as he did with the Nargai when they refused him and just as did with the World Guardian if they refuse to hand over the wand in DOC.

In my opinion, Jagex have made a huge mistake with Saradomin, instead of him confirming the truth of Garlandia tale and attempting to justify it, it should have been revealed as a lie.. I just don't know how a "Good guy" comes back from such a thing- especially when, in his arrogance he still defends the action (even if he shows regret) Love the Lore and the RS Gods!

21-Dec-2016 08:51:27

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ZAmorakZaros

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T Ancalagon said :
To those Saradominists who still seem to be able to justify and defend Saradomins violent assault on Garlandia I have this to say,

Perhaps you are right, Saradomin needed to show the Iceyne people how urgent and dire their situation was, perhaps he did need to convince them that fighting was their only chance of survival- Even though we only have Saradomins word on how hostile the enemy was, how unwilling they were to "talk" or negotiate, however, I will give Saradomin the benefit of the doubt and say the enemy in his scenario really were mindless, bloodthirsty monsters..
However If he, the supposed God of Wisdom, can only motivate his people/followers through a violent and monstrous act where he mutilated an innocent being (wanting to find a peaceful approach is not a crime) Then I'm sorry the guy is a monster, are you honestly saying he couldn't have found other ways to inspire the Iceyen?

His pride was hurt, she refused him and he reacted angrily, just as he did with the Nargai when they refused him and just as did with the World Guardian if they refuse to hand over the wand in DOC.

In my opinion, Jagex have made a huge mistake with Saradomin, instead of him confirming the truth of Garlandia tale and attempting to justify it, it should have been revealed as a lie.. I just don't know how a "Good guy" comes back from such a thing- especially when, in his arrogance he still defends the action (even if he shows regret) sorry but every god gets the gray treatment NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

21-Dec-2016 09:23:44

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ZAmorakZaros

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T Ancalagon said :
To those Saradominists who still seem to be able to justify and defend Saradomins violent assault on Garlandia I have this to say,

Perhaps you are right, Saradomin needed to show the Iceyne people how urgent and dire their situation was, perhaps he did need to convince them that fighting was their only chance of survival- Even though we only have Saradomins word on how hostile the enemy was, how unwilling they were to "talk" or negotiate, however, I will give Saradomin the benefit of the doubt and say the enemy in his scenario really were mindless, bloodthirsty monsters..
However If he, the supposed God of Wisdom, can only motivate his people/followers through a violent and monstrous act where he mutilated an innocent being (wanting to find a peaceful approach is not a crime) Then I'm sorry the guy is a monster, are you honestly saying he couldn't have found other ways to inspire the Iceyen?

His pride was hurt, she refused him and he reacted angrily, just as he did with the Nargai when they refused him and just as did with the World Guardian if they refuse to hand over the wand in DOC.

In my opinion, Jagex have made a huge mistake with Saradomin, instead of him confirming the truth of Garlandia tale and attempting to justify it, it should have been revealed as a lie.. I just don't know how a "Good guy" comes back from such a thing- especially when, in his arrogance he still defends the action (even if he shows regret) sorry but every god gets the gray treatment NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

21-Dec-2016 09:23:45

Padomenes

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T Ancalagon said :
To those Saradominists who still seem to be able to justify and defend Saradomins violent assault on Garlandia I have this to say,

Perhaps you are right, Saradomin needed to show the Iceyne people how urgent and dire their situation was, perhaps he did need to convince them that fighting was their only chance of survival- Even though we only have Saradomins word on how hostile the enemy was, how unwilling they were to "talk" or negotiate, however, I will give Saradomin the benefit of the doubt and say the enemy in his scenario really were mindless, bloodthirsty monsters..
However If he, the supposed God of Wisdom, can only motivate his people/followers through a violent and monstrous act where he mutilated an innocent being (wanting to find a peaceful approach is not a crime) Then I'm sorry the guy is a monster, are you honestly saying he couldn't have found other ways to inspire the Iceyen?

His pride was hurt, she refused him and he reacted angrily, just as he did with the Nargai when they refused him and just as did with the World Guardian if they refuse to hand over the wand in DOC.

In my opinion, Jagex have made a huge mistake with Saradomin, instead of him confirming the truth of Garlandia tale and attempting to justify it, it should have been revealed as a lie.. I just don't know how a "Good guy" comes back from such a thing- especially when, in his arrogance he still defends the action (even if he shows regret) And Zaros also mutilated Zamorak for an unknown reason in Children of Mah infront of the mahjarrat. It wasn't just his "pride", it was insecurity that his order will fail and everything all hell will go loose. His life experience taught him steps including drastic ones that need to be taken to maintain order and he hints he doesn't even like it or even hates having to do it but that there is no other way. The rebels will attack and everybody dies(refusal to fight).

21-Dec-2016 09:46:44 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 09:47:41 by Padomenes

Padomenes

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-continued, Saradomin oversaw the rise and fall of countless civilizations. Then developed steps in his mind including harsh ones to create a hypothesis on how to permanently prevent chaos. When he adopted them he saw that they always worked 100% of the time while everybody always fell in the end or collapsed. This is how he "became arrogant". If you can convince him his wrong or his in despair + convinced that his methods for Order are a failure then there's your chance to persuade him. People with good hearts on the inside are always redeemable in some fashion or another. You never sided with Saradomin but if you do you get to know who he is on the inside. He even shows alot of care and concern for you in the dialogue, when he greets/visits you to check on you to see if you are alright should you have chosen to side with him in the quest.

Zaros remained extremely "arrogant" until he was convinced infront of his eyes that his strategy for control/order was a 'complete and utter failure'. A person who knows somebody is good hearted yet still wants to kill them is just as monstrous as they claim the other is. The difference is those with a good heart and values can be changed while those who don't cannot, no matter how bad their past actions were.

Also no humans can be completely "good" in actions, the only thing close to a good human is somebody who is predominantly good within the heart. Actions mean nothing in terms of good/evil, only intentions matter.

21-Dec-2016 09:49:35 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 15:10:00 by Padomenes

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